"Joke", Cosmic or otherwise (which of course isn't), is as good a word
as any. The serious practitioner/religious types tend to take offense if
anyone suggests there is a punchline to 'enlightenment'.
Adept? Now that's funny. This shit is simply what it is, and never what
we think it is. Delusion draws lines between the ordinary and the
extraordinary. Amazing shit!
As for the stories surrounding your birth, every thought and sensation
that arises and passes is a birth, and a death. That we believe any to
be greater, more valuable, or more significant than any other is quite
funny.
Ever lost in drawing our maps...
KG
On 8/27/2013 8:08 PM, larry maher wrote:
Really good stuff, thanks. I used 'victim' as a sort of a what? joke?
quick word? Anyway you sound really really adept in this shit. envy
you? You must lead a very happy, fulfilling life? Unfortunately for me
I was born as far away being an avatar as one motherf'' er can get.
Brooklyn street kid and all. But my kids did better. One an emergency
doc, one's almost out of surgery school and sadly, one turned out more
like me. But he's found a good girl that's kicking his ass into shape
just as my wifey did to me:)
Thanks again,
Larry
PS: If you ever feel the need for some long term suffering my wife's
got a single sister :-)
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Kristopher Grey <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
"Falling 'victim' to this world" may apear to be a trap, or a
frenzied game of in and out like 'Whack-aMole', or some twisted
Fun House mirror maze - but how else can this appear? ;)
Seeking to escape such appearances, to seek to only have
personally preferable experiences, is what Siddhartha Gotama
called "desire". Folks here have read enough on where that leads.
Worldly preferences for vanilla vs. chocolate, or black robes vs.
yellow, or boys vs. girls - are of no concern as temporal
enjoyments experienced as they present -they are aspects of the
persona (mask) - unless there is attachment - by which I mean you
experience some love/hate toward them. Same goes for
pain/pleasure. These all arise naturally. It's what else comes up
in response that seems problematic - but only this can offers us
insight into our presumed and self-generated predicament.
Grasping and rejecting what presents, which along with/and
reinforcing ignorance of our true nature, form 'The Three
Poisons'. Thus many who are attached to developing
better/higher/more spiritual selves, to any personal attainment,
seal their fate as surely as the most profane 'sinner'.
That is not to say don't do 'spiritually' oriented things, but
rather not to be beguiled by them. Spirit is expression, not
collection. Holy/Spiritual Ego is the most deceptive of all its
disguises, and is always passing the plate asking for more
(devotion, practice, mindfulness, whatever).
The best you can do is remember? This is not mindfulness. Memory
is a habit. Attachment to/dreams of reviving the dead. Pure delusion.
Forgetting is little better. Rejection of same empty baggage (3
Poisons - again).
Simply laugh, or cry.
KG
PS - Buddha said Karma is intention. I'd add that Suffering is
expectation. Two sides of same worthless coin. Whatever troubles
you - simplify your inquiry by first looking into your intentions
and expectations. They're the Yin/Yang of self-delusion. Nothing
against using the imagination for planning and reflection - but
things get sticky all too easily as soon as we begin to believe
any of it.
Non-attachment, is not detachment. It is the cessation
(effortlessly - by realization, not effort) of the delusional
cycle of attachment and rejection. Only this allows direct
engagement - and vice versa.
Rambling again, more words only makes a mess. Edit the above to
just the first two lines of the PS - as that contains the rest.
On 8/27/2013 4:37 PM, larry maher wrote:
Thank you so much for that. Spot on. Unfortunately, can talk this
stuff all day long, but practicing it? living it? In minutes I
fall 'victim' to this world without even knowing it.The best I
can do is to remember to remember.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Kristopher Grey <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
All thoughts, afterthoughts.
All actions, reactions.
Seemly that, Seamless this.
The neural lag/disconnect are aspects of 'Maya', the dance or
interplay (Lila) therewith. In that sense, illusory. Like time.
Nothing escapes Indra's net, nothing caught by it. Only the
ever-present interweaving of emptiness into suchness.
To parrot-phrase Wei Wu Wei (aka Terence Gray - who Suresh
might enjoy reading as no doubt Mr. Tolle has): 'Maya' =
manifestation.
KG
On 8/27/2013 9:41 AM, Bill! wrote:
Kris,
I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present
and future. As far as I can tell there are no thoughts of
the present. There is only experience in the present, and
experience preceeds thought.
...Bill!
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<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Kristopher Grey
<kris@...> <mailto:kris@...> wrote:
>
> On 8/27/2013 12:14 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote:
> > Stress starts the moment you move away from now into the
thought world
> > of past and future.
>
> The "thought world" can only exist "now".
> Thoughts, arising and passing, now.
> Thought, is an aspect of now.
>
> Another word for what you are describing as "the thought
world of past
> and future" is simply 'imagination', which can only
presents as a
> problem to the extent you believe it to be separate or
otherwise
> different from "now". In an of itself, such thinking is
just thinking. A
> useful survival mechanism. Realizing this, it serves.
Deluded by this,
> it hinders. "Now".
>
> KG
>
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