Hi Agnes, Oh no, that is not what I meant by label. I was using it in the sense of the second level of dependent-related phenomena. We label chair, table, dog, stop sign. It is conventional and useful, and different than the object itself, which would be the base.
"Agnes" is a label or name that is given to a particular set of aggregates. If there is delusion present, then that name appears to our mind to be part of Agnes, when in fact if we investigate, we cannot find it anywhere. It is not within the aggregates, it is not apart from the aggregates; this is pointing to the emptiness of inherent existence of "Agnes". It is a label or name imputed upon an appropriate base. The base must be the appropriate base... thus we do not mistake a chair for Agnes, or Agnes for Fudo. Does that help? Ryunen > Indeed, but sadly is in reality we tend to easily step into the situation when we > like to label others or like to be labelled by others (everyone has different reason/s of why which we have to find out ourselves; hopefully with a cheerful heart and happy soul). > > > jayryunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Agnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I first asked them what did you see when I first walked into this room the day before. > Most students replied "a Chinese" or "a woman", and my cute little son spontaneously > raised his little hand and said 'Mama'. > > > > Hi Agnes, > > That's a wonderful example of the label is not the base. It is merely imputed by a > consciousness. > > Persons are a manifestation of emptiness, just like other dependent phenomena. We are > dependent-related phenomena on five levels: > > 1. Depending on causes > > 2. Depending on name > > 3. Depending on parts > > 4. Depending on a basis of imputation > > 5. Depending on mere imputation by conception > > This is why every adult in the room saw someone different, and yet can all agree "That's > Agnes!" > > Assuming of course, that everyone has a valid cognizer... which is to say metally healthy > and paying attention. =) > > Qualifiers, always qualifiers. It's better to just sit. > > Blessings, > Ryunen > > > > > Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, > Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
