--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alex Bunard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First, a general comment � have you ever considered
> that maybe you are taking the words uttered by various
> Masters too literally? You should be aware that
> Buddhas, Patriarchs, and Masters are all about
> utilizing upaya, or skillful, expedient means, when
> expounding the teaching. That is to say, they will
> look into each individual being, and adjust their
> utterances based on the case at hand. To some, they
> would prescribe an antidote that tells them that the
> path to liberation is by using the mind-only practice,
> to some others they would prescribe the no-mind path,
> and so on. Put together, their teachings sometimes may
> appear contradictory, even meaningless, but this is
> simply because there is no universal formula, no
> across-the-board equation that applies to everyone
> under all imaginable circumstances.
> If you study Zen literature more
> carefully, you'll be able to notice many seemingly
> incoherent utterances, which seem to contradict each
> other. This doesn't mean that Zen is illogical, as
> some people claim, but only that it is operating
> strictly in the upaya mode.

Hi Alex

Would you like to cite some examples of these contradictory 
utterances for discussion? I think we may be able to learn much from 
it.

wai




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