Al, at the risc of being presumptuous you do not want Zen I am afraid. ironically, the issues you raise are at the very heart of Zen, but your criterions for how to approach them have nothing to do with Zen, I am afraid and it never will.
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:22:05 -0400, "AC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > From: wai_dk I've communicated with you several times and I've found that > you can actually be a nice and thoughtful person, and I've learnt much > from you too. So what happened to you? Why are you so testy?>> > > I think that we all need to be tougher in order to deal with reality. I > do not want to foster a list of emotional cripples who are here only > because they hear nice plattitudes about love and Peace. > > Zen should be something more. Agnes told an incredibly inspirational > story about Zen in her life. That is real to me. Blood and Guts Zen. It > is taking Zen and using it like a weapon and/or a shield in order to deal > with the stress of life which is often caused by other people. That is > the kind of Zen I want to understand. I guess maybe it is similar to The > Way of the Peaceful Warrior? It is Street-Fighting Zen for the people who > have to go to work and get insulted, abused, demanded of, etc. That is > the Zen that helps me with real problems of life. I do not need to > understand Cave Zen because I am not living in a cave. Learning beautiful > sayings that would cause others to laugh in ridicule is not Street Zen. I > want to learn Zen that will make me a better person on the Streets of > Life, not in a monastery. > > I want to take the book knowledge of Zen, and the Zen of the monks, and > the Zen of all the members of this list who are dealing with life on the > streets of their towns, and I want US to mix it together into a real > living Zen. The kind of Zen that Agnes used to fight her problems and to > Succeed. I do not want to know about some kind of passive bullshit Zen. I > do not want to be some waiter in orange pajamas smiling at people who > give me money. I want Zen for Winning. Zen for kicking Ass. Zen for > dealing with reality on the streets of life. Where people are hurt. Where > nobody pulls their punches. Where reality bleeds and dies. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
