janelago wrote: > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], fudo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you're saying that even though the people aren't real, and the list > has no reality, your words on the list can have real consequences in > the real world? But if your words can have real consequences in > directing someone to a teacher, then they also have real consequences > in other ways as well. > > >>Did you get it this time? > > > Well, no. You seem to be saying exactly what you are denying. > > Jane
Dear Jane, It is nice of you to fantasize what you think I say,unfortunately you missed a bit. 1. There are no real people here. This is an electronic mail service. A high tech mail box..there are no people in your mail box, there are no people in your electronic mail box either..there are no real little people in your computer. There are real people presenting what they choose here, but we do not really see them, smell them or hear the timbre of their voice. They are not really here. 2. Mail is a communication between real people. They are where they are though, they are not here. It is not the same as a real encounter, here you can throw the envelope or the email in the trash. In a real encounter with a real person, closing your eyes does not make them go away. This is a communication medium, it is not real life. You do not really know me, nor would you even know if you passed me on the street. 3. I never said my word on this list could have no effect. I said they could not have the kind of effect people were trying to put on them. I did say this is not a real place, and there are no real people here. The people are over there, and over there..there is no place where we really are together. 4. My words can piss off someone. They can make someone see that what they think they have is only an illusion..just like the idea that "this place where we meet together is real" is only an illusion. It is not really the same as meeting together in person. It is not really the same as being in the same place at the same time. We are not really here because there is no here to be....let us just quit this pretending ok?..no one is really hit, no one is really killed, no one is really embarassed any longer then they choose to be, unlike real life they can leave anytime they want. One click and we are gone forever. We are not dead, we were not really there in the first place. Let us quit pretending something is really happening here...there is no here. There are real people there though. But we cannot see them, hear them or smell them, and we cannot have a real encounter with them because we are not really together. We can communicate, but we are not together. We are not in the same place in reality. That being said this medium can be used for communication. One can exchange a view. I do not think one can have a teacher/disciple relationship on the Internet because one can not be virtually awakened..just like one cannot be virtually pregnant. you either are or are not. This medium is so dense that some can pretend to be. When you cannot really see the kind of demonstration a real teacher would demand in a real life encounter, then you just cannot make that sort of demonstration here. This is an electronic list, it is not real...even printing my word on paper so the mail is real where you are does not make me there, or even virtually there. One can communicate the need for a real teacher in your real life to solve your real problems, and that a virtual teacher can solve your virtual problems, but the problems that really plague you are real problems, and that they need real solutions. When we pretend this is real life, or even like real life we do a disservice to all who come here. When we encourage others to do so we are perpetuating a fraud. This is not even a real discussion, in a real discussion I can use facial expressions, body language, and gestures to give a nuance to my words that cannot be communicated here....this is even a piss poor method of communication, but that does not mean it is not useful at times. No one gets an envelope from the bank in the mail and says "oh the bank is here!!" One cannot get money from a teller who is not really there. One can get important information on their financial resources from the information in the envelope, but if they do not like the information they get, chances are it is not the banks fault they are unhappy. Even if it is a foreclosure notice, you either are ignorant beyond belief, or fully expecting it already because of something you did or did not do. THE BANK IS NOT REALLY HERE though. The Bank is still over there where it alway was, and if you want some cash you are going to have to go where a teller really is. Why then when we get an email do we pretend we are here? This is a fiction that is apparently more harmful than I thought because people seem to actually believe it. So which is it ...delusional or ignorant beyond belief?? ***chuckle***there are real people here....***chuckle****I got a letter from my bank and they forgot to send the teller.....got to get a new bank. Rofl. Fudo ------------------------ Yahoo! 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