Alex, I see you subscribe to the adage, a good offense is a good 
defense.  I hope you digested some of what I offered before 
redelivering the processed waste...


--- In [email protected], Alex Bunard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Face it -- your main problem is that you focus too
> much on personalities.

I'll take your diagnosis under advisement.  However, it was you I was 
giving the prescription (and not as a "main" problem, but as an easy 
thing to remedy)

> What's it to you, to go ad hominem on me? What kind of
> perverted little pleasure do you get from slandering
> me?

Slander is to say things untrue about your actions.  I expect you 
didn't mean this word.  Pleasure can not be perverted, only the 
methods of acheiving it.  And what's it to me?  On this one, I'll 
hang by my teeth...

> 
> Instead of going for the low, cheap thrills of
> 'exposing' someone, why don't you take this chance to
> learn something about Dharma? Unless you're one of
> those hopelessly conventional, gray bureaucratic
> types, you would sure feel the lure of the game.

But isn't Dharma a buddhist term that can only be transmitted from 
one within the Dharma chain.  If I want to learn that, I'll seek 
someone who is in the chain, and not a poser.  Again the prescription 
you write for me is one you are unwilling to take.

> 
> If you say that you don't care about the Buddhist
> teaching because you're only interested in zen, it's
> like saying you don't care about learning music,
> because you're only interested in playing jazz.
> 

I'm not sure how this applies.  I don't recall saying anything like 
that.  OH!  I see -- you think I'm an unwilling student to YOUR 
teaching (which you say is more general Buddhist) and that I prefer 
my Zen learning.  I take your point, but you miss severely.  I am not 
largely a student of Zen, but am willing to learn of their practice 
to apply it in my life, and settle towards (or away) from it.  And 
this is a Zen list, after all.  

If I have to choose between a teacher who is natural, and one who 
constructs their image from rags and glitter -- I'll choose the 
natural one (less "translation" to make of their actions/words).  
Thus, you were disqualified as being a teacher for me when you so 
blatantly tried pushing the river of how you are perceived here (and 
clumsily too IMHO:).

But I've said what I thought would help -- refuted some charges and 
will poke at some others you've offered.  I think we've exhausted 
this exchange -- so if you don't mind, I'll read, but not respond to 
any follow-up in this particular case.

My best,

Rod





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