Hi Allison and Guy and all: I find it a universal adage that when all one has is a hammer, everything looks like nails.
This causes an awful lot of religious bigotry over the years. People assume becasue their way has worked for them to some extent, that it must be the only way. Actually, without having tried it through other ways, how can it be known? Further, I suggest that the less one's own way works for them, the louder they bellow looking for encouragement on their rocky narrowing path. When talking about the school "Zen" (big Z) I suggest there are Zen schools who would disagree with Alex. Fudo, a Zen monk from this list wrote: "Why would one wish to delve into a writing from another time and place when they can get an infinitely more complex and intricate personal expression with any modern master that is tailored to them and where and when they live?...the only reason I can think of is that they are afraid to present their understanding because they have no faith in it. They have not proved it, even to themselves." Referring to "zen" (little Z) I don't know if Alex mean it below (at least not in this particular posting ;) but when talking about the word zen, or the moon the finger points at, to say there is only one approach would be a misunderstanding at the deepest level. If his own teaching as an adult where the only Way, what was poor young Nagarajuna to do? Or the first Buddha? Rod Scholl -----Original Message----- From: Alex Bunard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Suggestions for reading? Hi Allison and Guy, To truly understand Zen, one needs to go back to its origin. As you know, Zen is the school of Mahayana Buddhism, and as such, it stems from the foundation of the Great Vehicle, the Madhyamika school. Madhyamika (or Central Philisophy of Buddhism) was founded by Nagarjuna approximately 1,800 years ago (give or take 50 years). Before Nagarjuna arrived, there was a big confusion among various Buddhist schools and heterodoxies regarding the proper interpretation of the Buddha's teachings. Extreme factions were formed (one such school called itself the Personalists, Pudgalavada, that is, the ones who believe in the absolute reality of a separate personhood, if you can believe that!) So, obviously, a realignment of the Buddhist doctrine was long overdue. Now, Zen could have never emerged had Nagajuna not come up with his elaboration of the doctrine of Two Truths. The entire Zen practice is based directly on the Two Truths teaching. So, if you really want to penetrate Zen thoroughly, there is absolutely no other way than through Two Truths, which is the most recondite of all Buddha's teachings. The books? Find a good translation of Nagarjuna's "Mulamadhyamaka karika" ("The Foundation of the Middle Way", Garfield might be a good source) and study it throughly. If you do it the right way, you won't really need anything else. Alex --- terencc mccahey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Those who lift torches to burn Heaven just tire > > themselves! > Alex, this is really great as Guy says ..... the > above line really stucj with me and is something > that I can really visualize .I would also welcome > any recommendations you have regarding Zen writings! > Namaste ---Allison > > ventouxboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Alex, this is a great essay! You seem to have a > broad range of > knowledge in Zen, any suggestions on books you might > recommend? I'm > familiar with most of the basics, but a lot you draw > on comes from > things I havn't been exposed to. Thanks, Guy. > > > > > In [email protected], Alex Bunard > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the famous "Song of Enlightenment", Chan Master > > Hsuan Chuen of Yung Chia (the Dharma successor of > the > > Sixth Patriarch Hui Neng) wrote the following > stanzas: > > > > > > "Let yourself be criticized and abused, > > Those who lift torches to burn Heaven just tire > > themselves! > > When I hear their wrathful words, it's just as > though > > it were ambrosial truth; > > Thus smelted and refined, suddenly one enters the > > Inconceivable. > > > > Contemplate vicious and offensive words as merit > and > > virtue, > > The scandal-monger then becomes one's wise friend > and > > a good advisor. > > If we do not become angry at gossip, > > We will right there manifest the Compassion of the > > Unborn." > > > > > > There you have it -- the instructions are clear as > > day. Just understanding the above two stanzas and > > taking them to your heart will give you the > miraculous > > mani-pearl that will dispell all your doubts. > > > > However, in my experience, many people, even after > > learning the truth about anger, still have trouble > > adhering to the teaching. Further explanation may > be > > necessary (I will just briefly touch on some > knotty > > issues here): > > > > The first thing that the Buddha taught was the > > all-pervading significance of giving. Giving is a > > virtue that sets us on the proper path. And, it is > the > > practice that needs no learning -- everyone knows > > spontaneously how to give. What's more, the only > way > > to ever experience happiness and bliss as a human > > being is to be in the position to give. Jails are > full > > of miserable people who, at one point or another, > were > > disabled from the ability to give, and that > untenable > > position drove them to commit unspeakable crimes. > > > > So, give, give yourselves away boldly, because the > > more you give, the more will there be to give, and > > this will make you exceedingly happy. > > > > However, there is a danger inherent in the > practice of > > giving in that it can result in wantonness and > > arrogance. To circumvent that, the Buddha spoke > next > > about discipline. Giving without discipline is a > risky > > venture. Consider a farmer who has been > cultivating > > his field, and who was rewarded for his generosity > by > > an exceedingly rich harvest. He now has two > choices: > > > > 1. Wallow in the dough (he might just sell all his > > yield and take off for Vegas, where he will burn > all > > his wealth in one night) > > > > 2. Exercise more disciplined approach, where he > will > > organize his yield in such a way that he may sell > a > > portion and buy more land, then allocate another > > portion for cultivating all this land for the next > > year, and so on. > > > > From this we see that the practice of discipline > must > > go hand in hand with the practice of generosity. > > > > However, once we get onto such a path, one thing > is > > guaranteed to happen -- we will inevitable collide > > with other people. We will cross paths, step on > other > > people's toes, and vice versa. When this happens, > > anger arises. > > > > It has been said that one moment of anger has the > > power to destroy the results of numerous cycles of > > good effort. Because of that, anger and wrath are > > considered as the most insidious emotions in the > > Buddhist practice. > > > > Knowing that, we see that it is vitally important > to > > practice the antidote of anger. And the Buddha > himself > > spoke of that, immediatelly after he had explained > the > > importance of having the virtue of discipline. The > > third virtue that the Buddha spoke of is patience. > > > > The above two stanzas speak about the virtue of > > patience. The most important thing is to abstain > from > > allowing the feelings of anger to take hold. > Practice > > patience, therein you will discover the ambrosia > of > > true bliss. > > > > Alex > > > > > > --- nypd25838 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Im wondering how one finds the balance between > > > assertiveness and > > > speaking the truth of how you feel( where the > other > > > person will > > > become defensive and feel judged ) ... vs. > remaining > > > unaffected when > > > someone offends you and trying to let it pass > > > through you .( And > > > then the offending keeps representing itself in > > > different ways over > > > and over again. So, if you are trying to > practice > > > right speech and > > > the other person you are communicating with has > no > > > regard for being > > > truthful ...how are you supposed to remain > composed > > > and what is the > > > mindset as far as why this person would act so > > > insulting . I mean do > > > you give compassion to this person. How do you > > > neutralize situations > > > like this in all forms of relationships whether > it > > > be a boss with a > > > huge ego or a stranger who tells you off because > he > > > thinks you cut > > > him off in line ...to the more personal with > family > > > members like the > > > intrusive mother in law .This is a obstacle for > me > > > and I welcome all > > > thoughts or answers to this . 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