--- In [email protected], Alex Bunard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- mackkup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But why can't you realize that the Buddha taught that > there is no higher authority? You yourself are the > higher authority, is what the Buddha was saying all > along.
ok, if thats what you believe thats fine. Mack > > That being the case, I really don't understand what do > you mean by saying "while helping yourself a higher > authority will help if you honestly ask for it"? Who > is that higher authority? If you say it is some Zen > Master, haven't you heard that Zen Masters denounce > themselves as "selling water by the river"? Only > foolish people will pay for the water that they > themselves can drink straight from the river. no i dont believe its a zen master, by no means is it a human being. > > > im sorry but i didnt understand what the hell you > > were getting at > > here. you cannot distort truth. truth is truth. if > > you are aware of > > your surroundings(which you should be) than you > > would know what > > misery is taking place. im not saying its up to you > > to change it > > cause you cannot, you can only change yourself. All > > the strife thats > > going on in the world is not an example of people > > that are happy. > > There are two truths. The Buddha said that all objects > can be seen in two lights: in the correct, unimpeded > light, and in a dimmed, distorted and distorting > light. The correct light is what is seen by the > unimpaired wisdom of the ones who have left their > intellectual conceptualizations behind. > > Now, the worldly consensus perceives things in a > certain way, and this consensus calls that perception > 'the truth'. And the Buddha said: "People may argue > with me, but I don't argue with them." Which means > that the Buddha never disputed the validity of the > consensual truth. > > However, what the Buddha taught is that there is also > another truth, and that truth is what is seen by the > immaculate mind. And that truth does not necessarily > coincide with the consensual truth (i.e. the truth > that most people with healthy senses agree upon). > > So, everyday consensus clearly perceives that there is > suffering, there is misery, there are people torturing > other people, mutilating them, being cruel to them. No > one disputes that (at the everyday consensus level). > > However, at the prajna level, the Buddha disputed > that. The Buddha said that, while the perception of > someone being tortured undoubtedly arises before us, > in truth nothing arises. All phenomena are unborn, > peaceful, completely incapable of any suffering, any > pain. > > We, as Buddhist practitioners, are obliged to > ourselves to penetrate this secret. We must get to the > point where we are able to perceive what the Buddha > had perceived. Anything short of that is not really > going to cut it, I'm afraid. > > Alex wow, thats alot to digest. i dont know what world you live in but as long as your having a good time....thats all that matters. Mack > > > ===== > No karma was produced during the composition of this letter > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/hjtSRD/3MnJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
