Amazing,

    This is exactly the kind of input that I am looking for. 
Seriously. I have been reading about the institutional history of 
buddhism, and I am trying to understand why some Zen Centers are 
sucessful and others are not. "Instructions to the cook", written by 
Bernard Glassmann, is an inspiring story of sucess. "Shoes outside 
the door", on the other hand, shows the negative (and positive) 
aspects of the early days of the San Francisco Zen Center. I have 
also read "Zen War Stories", written by Brian Victoria, which 
demonstrates the instutional connections between the Zen Schools in 
Japan and the Empire.
    However, I fail to see the connection between this posting and my 
project. Sincerely, I am not trying to take over the Zen Center and 
control other members. It�s the opposite. I want the Zen Center to be 
as open and democratic as possible, and I want the newcomers to feel 
that our Zen Center is effectively a place in which they can practice 
and find a human and open attitude. 

    Regards,

    Francisco.

--- In [email protected], "amazing63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Francisco Garcia Scherer casual conversation 
> can not be recorded, and, latter, analysed by other (authorized) 
Zen Center members.>>
> 
> I have been to a Zen Center like the one you are helping to run. 
There was this lawyer and his Insurance Agent friend who set up about 
four Zen Centers in this area, and they all failed. 
> 
> Those two guys had to be the biggest stiffs that I ever met, and 
they thought that if you went to their "Zen Center" you somehow 
became a member of their little kingdom. They took themselves so 
seriously that I used to go just to see how disappointed they would 
be when nobody showed up.
> 
> Each time that these guys would open a Zen Center, the first couple 
of weeks they got about ten people, and by the 4th week they would 
have about five people. I always used to stop going around the 4th 
week. Then a few months later I would drive by and the location where 
the Zen Center had been would have a FOR RENT sign on the door or a 
window. 
> 
> I remember the third or fourth time they opened a Zen Center, it 
was the Insurance Agent "Master" by himself. The lawyer guy was no 
longer his friend. The Insurance Master had bought a set of about 
five or six really fancy ceremonial gongs of different sizes. He 
literally bristled with anger when a lady playfully banged one of the 
gongs before the "ceremony" began, while we were all sitting around 
waiting for all the other people that never showed up. 
> 
> The Insurance Agent "sensei" gave that lady a five minute lecture 
about "who" could hit the gongs in the Japanese Zen Temples, and 
how "he" was the only one who had that authority, because "he" was 
the sensei, and the rest of us were just visitors and/or prospective 
students, and visitors don't touch the gongs, etc. I thought the poor 
lady was going to cry! 
> 
> Finally he gave up waiting on more folks, and we did about twenty 
minutes of zazen and then 45 minutes of him playing the gongs while 
we chanted in Japanese from a pamphlet that he gave us. This guy was 
banging on those gongs like it was some kind of rock concert, and I 
got a major headache. 
> 
> I did not go back, and sure enough the Zen Center was out of 
business a couple of months later. 
> 
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