*laughing* (face-in-hands) I suppose the solution is for me to realize what is far enough better than hawking a lugey (as we called it) to keep me too distracted to get distracted -- meanwhile I still dabble in fascination with the gross due to some habitual loyalty to perversion. If I can't woo 'em, the closest I can get is to see the horror in their eyes as they run away.
Guilty as charged. Rod Scholl -----Original Message----- From: kyukyo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Buddhist connundrum #7526 Rod, Rod, Rod, ....... You Really Cannot Help Yourself Can You? Maybe This Might Help. Your Brain Is An Organ..... It Secretes Thoughts Like Your Lungs Secret Mucus. The Fact That You Have Hacked Up A Really Big Gob Might Be Really Impressive But It Really Grosses Out The General Public When Are Overly Enthusiastic With Your Sharing..... Now If You A Hanging With A Group Of 9 Year Old Boys The Fact That You Hacked Up A Truly Humongus Gob Might Become Legendary, But Most Adults Will Just Think You Are Just Another In A Very Long Line Of Gross Litte Boys. There Is Nothing Origial In Your Brain Gob. It Was All Hacked Up 2500 Years Ago And Ever Since We Have All Failed To To Hack Up A Better Gob. I Seriously Doubt Any Of On This List Have The Lungs To Better What Has Already Been Done. All We Can Impress Is Our Own Little Group Of 9 Year Old Boys. Even The Little Girls Are Just Grossed Out.... I Can Tell You This From Experience, If You Ever Want To Get Laid You Are Going To Have To Develop A Different Skill. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I liked your post James. Thanks. > > When it comes to the redifining of self, we have similar views. And actual > ly, I don't consider a change in the definition of 'self' an intent of my p > ractice (which obviously only has vague tinges of Zen's), more a result, so > it is only interesting to me intellectually the paradox of my insistence o > n a self, but my inability to find it. > > But I wanted to add in, that there are many texts (inside and outside the Z > en tradition) that talk about the concept moving away from your idea: > "a very changeable and inconsistent part of the larger whole of humanity/en > vironment/history (or, looked at another way, they are a part of oneself)" > and towards the more comforting "net of jewels" or "moon in a dewdrop" idea > . > > This I interpret as meaning this moment/perspective/Being captures perfectl > y the whole thing -- a 'mode' of the whole, or 'linear combination of all p > ossible quantum states', or 'eigenvalue of a whole matrix' -- in such a way > that EVERY term of the mind/universe wraps up into and is completely expre > ssed by this Mode/instant/being -- and yet it isn't the ONLY expression (le > st we end up too indistinguishable from solipsism for my tastes). In this > way one never has to feel outside the whole, or incomplete, as though we ge > t a single view through the complex many. Obviously words fail here, and l > acking the 'feeling' of this experience, I'm just quoting others who have a > peculiarly consistent message. Might turn out their full of sh*t -- but w > ith my knowledge of metaphysics, etc., my money's on the moon in a dew drop > :) > > ... (shaking off the fog) anyway, back to work :) lol. > > Rod Scholl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Haines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Buddhist connundrum #7526 > > > > On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Alex Bunard wrote: > > Denial of self is one of the cornerstones of the > > Buddhist practice. However, this practice can seem > > unintelligible, since this denial of self presupposes > > the existence of self whose existence is being denied. > > Hello, Alex! > > Perhaps the problem lies in how you've stated things (denial of self). I > don't think it's really a question of *denial* of *self*. Everyone is > going to be around as an individual and have an ego--which can be seen > nicely by looking at the posts on this list--no matter how "enlightened" > they become. I'd say it's more a question of (gradually) exchanging a > mistaken view of oneself for a more realistic one: One moves from thinking > of oneself as a sort of separate and possibly immortal whole to > discovering that in fact one is simply a very changeable and inconsistent > part of the larger whole of humanity/environment/history (or, looked at > another way, they are a part of oneself). It's exchanging a very rigid > and inflexible view of self for a more flexible and porous one (that will > allow one to live more easily and helpfully in the world), at least in my > limited experience. > > It dawns on me, by the way, that you (Alex) might want to get in touch > with a Tibetan monk, particularly one trained in the Gulagpa tradition > which places great emphasis on the Prashangika Madhyamaka (I think it is, > something Sanskrit in any event) view of self so heavily influenced by the > thinking of Nagarjuna. Tibetan monks seem quite at home discussing and > debating the fine points of philosophy which underly Buddhist thought > while Zen priests (and practitioners) seem (to my mind, at least) to find > this sort of intellectual nit-picking a distraction from the real work we > all need to do in the practice of zazen and mindful living (which is where > we encounter our self, if we've got our eyes open wide enough to see it in > action). > > James > > > === Message Truncated === __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? 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