Anyone remember that George Harrisson-Beatles song "Within You Without You"
----- Original Message ----- From: "mackkup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:41 AM Subject: [Zen] Re: Following the anxiety's lead... > > > --- > I to have the same questions, for anxious feelings invade my thoughts > as well. I have made the attempt at following the feeling to see > where it originated but have never been successful and finding its > source(i know its in me but what started it?). I say this because i > still get those anxious feelings. I must not be persistent enough > or......? I feel if i get to the core of it and understand it, it > will leave me. I have also done the opposite by trying to ignore it > or just get past it and that hasnt helped at all. It would be great > to get away from my mind when im getting these negative feelings but > its true when they say you have to take you with you where ever you > go. The solution is within its just a matter of finding it. Mack > > > > > > In [email protected], "Rod Scholl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's interesting, Genry, thanks... > > > > Currently, each time I find my mind racing against my wishes, and a > few seconds after deciding not to think about anything other > than "blank" -- I find my disobediant mind off frolicking in the > fields while meanwhile, I f-up what I'm currently working on. I > doubt I'm alone in this situation. I figured practice at drawing my > thoughts back under my control -- and even making deliberate > training, such as sitting, might teach it by repetition. Its working > slowly... > > > > However, your post brings up a hopeful method. Rather than brining > my mind back to the task (especially if it itself is all that > critical) -- I'll follow the anxious thought... I don't mean to > endulge in its thinking -- but to endulge in the feeling of my > anxiousness, my pressured feeling, the sensation that something > critical is being left undone. Perhaps I should investigate the > feeling, like looking for the source of a headache (the eybrows?... > no... the neck?...no... clamping my jaw? ... yes! Eureka, I'll stop > THAT). Maybe by following it to it source -- listening to it (or > trying to 'become it', if you will) I will find what the fuss is > about and soothe it. Its likely something stupid like fixing my > posture to breath easier -- or doing something silly on my task list > which is worrisome -- or using my body which feels unused (exercise) - > - or who knows... perhaps nothing, and then the question is, whether > the anxiety is dispelled on its own. > > > > What do you all think? If I follow the source of the anxious > feeling, rather than endulge it, and rather than fight it -- will I > uncover anything -- or by finding nothing to uncover will it then > reduce on its own? Or is this just another anxious excuse to endulge > the 'self'? > > > > Rod Scholl > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rev Genryu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:38 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Zen] reflection > > > > > > > > Not to entirely disagree, but how about instead of trying to break > down the barriers, try to become the barrier/not separate yourself > from the barrier, and see what happens? > > > > Genryu > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mackkup > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:35 AM > > Subject: [Zen] reflection > > > > > > > > i constantly have to remind myself to look inside at my thoughts > but > > very often i loose focus. outside distractions, i admit get in > the > > way of my inner studies. life is as difficult as you make it. > things > > happen to us in life and how we deal with it is what counts. i > have > > put up many barriers in my life and now im working on breaking > them > > down. its a long journey but all i can do is take one step at a > time. > > Mack > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, > Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, > Right Livelihood > > Yahoo! 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