On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 11:52 -0400, spider wrote: > From: "kyukyo" <Hmm How would you know what Zen is all about? How would you > know what it takes to be approved?> > > Well, all it takes is to see that the subject line is "Does Enlightenment > Exist?" and your response has nothing to do with answering the question. > > So if browbeating and belittling others is the key to enlightenment, then I > guess most of us on this list can be Sensei. We can all say that we had a > good teacher. YOU. > > thanks for satori. > > Al
If you think I am a Sensei (teacher) then you need to read your books again. I have hung out no shingle, nor have I accepted one student...the definition of Sensei is teacher. In order to be a teacher you must have a student. There is not one student here, nor do I particularly want one. (see the post on the last job of a true teacher)...you do not get to draft a teacher, nor sneak one.... it is a cheap trick to appoint a Sensei so you can criticize him for not acting like one. If you look to me for lessons then the fault is yours. You can pretend I am a teacher if you like..it sort of goes along with pretending you have a practice or that Miss April is your girlfriend. I do not really care if I look like Miss April to you or not. I do not really care if others think enlightenment exists..it is the kind of question those who spend their time in dark closets with Miss April ask. Open the door to your closet and look for yourself..any answer anyone else gives you will never suffice anyway. Maybe in one of those books there a nice quote you can sniff for a thrill, do not blame me if it does not really satisfy for long though. Not all questions deserve an answer.... "When did you stop beating your wife?" Just because it is clever does not mean it has to be answered. Quit wasting your time and mine with questions that only you can answer to your satisfaction. You could answer for yourself if you only opened the closet door and looked out. I am not interested in joining you in the Dark closet for a debate or anything else that happens there. It just goes to show you wouldn't know satori if you saw it or you would not have used the term in your post that way. You have used two terms in one post that only apply in your imagination. Thank you for proving my point. I am sorry the world does not meet your expectations. Perhaps the problem is not with the world. I am happy to join the rest of reality (including the Dalai Lama) that has disappointed you so that you can reject it unattended to.......I would rather be real than exist only in your imagination alongside Miss April. Last time I looked, in real Zen there is a tradition of knocking down delusion forcefully. Perhaps in your pretend Zen books it says something else. It seems meditation has always been portrayed as a sword that cuts through delusion, not a pillow that comforts. The precepts are a rope. Fudo is a wrathful diety that cuts down demons with the sword of truth, and tracks demons to their dens, leaving them no safe place to stand. I got the name for a reason.......you are looking for gentle go somewhere else. You are not going to get it here. Again if you expected sweet nothings whispered in your ears, the fault is not mine that you are disappointed. I, for one, never promised you sweet things. If your point was nothing that happens on this list has anything to with real Zen (including anything I do here) I would have to agree. Wasn't that my point in the beginning? That instead of pussy-footing around on a list like this one would be better off with anything real? Be Well Fudo ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
