Eugene, what i understand from Zen is that there is no such thing as "good" or "bad", only in the perception of the viewer. if the viewer goes thru life and doesnt see situations or whatever as good or bad then i think that person is living Zen. Mack
--- In [email protected], "Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mack, > > The "i" concept is indeed the root of a lot of a lot of evil, but > also the root of a lot of joy and happiness. It's like dynamite; can > be used good and bad (if life was that simple...) > > The "i" concept is since birth the centre of the universe - that is: > my I is the centre of my universe, your I is the centre of your > universe and someone else's I the centre of his universe. The earth > or Sun is not the centre of the universe - the "I" is. > > Zen (and other training) can 'modify' that. Zen training can lead to > a diminishing ego, a possibility to see life more "objective", not > only from the viewpoint of the "i". If objectivity means truth, I > agree with you that > > if we chip away at the ego > > all that will be left is truth. > > But: why search for something like truth and objectivity? Is that > what you try to find with Zen? > > Chipping away at the ego, as you so nicely describe it, can be very > useful and perhaps enlightning but also very dangerous - since it is > a so important concept. It has to be done carefully and with the > right objectives I think, not merely to find truth and objectivity. > > Eugene > > > > --- In [email protected], "mackkup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > since birth we are taught the "i" concept which i feel is the root > of > > all evil. the ego grows and grows and doesnt allow us to see life > the > > way it should be seen. little by little if we chip away at the ego > > all that will be left is truth. Mack > > > > > > > > > > > > Well... since we were > > > originally sharing on the beauty and significance of > > > relaxation,expansion of our life experience,melting,letting > > go...and > > > how difficult it is for all of us. When i noticed how unable ive > > > always been to simply let go into the way things really > > > are,accidentally i came across the very obstacle that was > closing > > my > > > way...It was an idea,an idea i haddent yet understood,considered > in > > > the light of awareness,an idea i haddent been corageous enough > to > > > contemplate face to face. It was the idea "I".Ever since that > > > experience this "I" idea have been melting away and instead a > new > > > understanding has started to grow,develop by itself,or simply > has > > > started to unfold by itself.The crucial tactic here is to > consider > > > this malconstructed "idea of I",being fully honest > inside.Courage > > to > > > see inner reality is a rewarding asset. Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
