--- In [email protected], "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is Zen?
> 
> What is Buddhism?
> 
> What are the differences between Zen and Buddhism?
> 
> What is the relationship between Zen and Buddhism?

These are very clever questions, that have a direct link to the
ongoing discussion, I think. 

I would like to throw in my first 1 cent, in saying: Lots of "flavors"
of Buddhism tend to include intellectual processes in studying oneself
as well. Zen in contrast focuses more on the direct experience at hand
in my opinion. 


Also, I would like to say thank you, I am thankful for the fruitfull
discussion going on here. Thank you also for the posting of Rev.
Harvey Sodaiho Hilbert about "toxic processes". I thought about it a lot.


Thanx Neutral Milk for pointing the following out:
(Concerning abilities of Zen-Masters...)
>It's the question of respecting one's own resources and exercising
>them to the fullest.
>Whatever those resources may be.

I did not see it from that perspective! Yes, of course I agree to that.


Last but not least, I would like to ask the following: 
Neutral Milk wrote:
>"intellectual thinking is absolutely necessary in Zen training"
Could you give an example? I think we are talking about two sides of
the same coin. 


Also, some statements seem to be more a question of definition than
opinion itself to me. Take, for example the word "word(s)". I am
understanding words as something spoken or written. So, I think, the
Buddha did not use words, when transmitting the Dharma to Mahakasyapa.
Or am I mistaken?


Mike





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