-Marc- > Just read over Elder Nelson's talk when it comes out in the > Ensign. I myself have a difficult time seeing how people can > still, with all due respect, "not get it" after hearing this talk.
And I have a difficult time seeing why people are so eager to twist an apostle's words into supporting their political tastes, rather than try to glean the truth and wisdom he was teaching. I suppose we both should work on our ability to understand. > He said "as a CHURCH we should renounce war" and emphasized that > it would be the descendants of Ishmael and Jacob who would be the > peacemakers in the region. And therefore...? > There can be nothing BUT a pacifist LDS. >From The American Heritage Dictionary (1985): 1. The belief that disputes between nations should and can be settled peacefully. 2a. Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes. b. Such opposition demonstrated by refusal to participate in military action. #1 does partially apply to Saints, of course, but it is so obvious that even the most hawk-like Saint agrees that disputes *should* be settled peacefully. Disputes involving aggression by enemies against you obviously *cannot* be settled peacefully. Both parts of definition 2 are anti-Mormon. >From Merriam-Webster's online (www.m-w.com): Main Entry: pac·i·fism Pronunciation: 'pa-s&-"fi-z&m Function: noun Etymology: French pacifisme, from pacifique pacific Date: 1902 1 : opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes; specifically : refusal to bear arms on moral or religious grounds 2 : an attitude or policy of nonresistance Neither of these definitions describes the Church's position. The definion at www.dictionary.com is word-for-word identical to that of the American Heritage definition quoted above. So you're wrong, Marc. Mormons are *not* pacifist, or at least they should not be. Quite the contrary. Stephen ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: firstname.lastname@example.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================