Stephen, I don't want the "last word" in that sense, and I certainly don't want to leave a bitter feeling in anyone's mind. I think our problem is that we're talking past each other. It happens often -- it's human nature. Human language is ambiguous by nature -- it's not like a programming language. If I may be so bold, I think what you see me doing is persisting in making an argument in contradiction to what you have read in my earlier posts. From my p.o.v., what I see is that try to tell me what I said, rather than ask what I meant.
May I suggest an approach for future bouts of "intellectual arm-wrestling"? I'll try not to keep pushing the issue if you, when you think I've contradicted myself, *ask* for an explanation rather than confronting me with your interpretation of what I wrote. This works the other way around, too. When you made your comment about liberals and referred to "America and elsewhere" my immediate, instinctive response was to remind you that the rest of the world ("elsewhere") doesn't necessarily use words the way they're used in the U.S. It was only later, upon reflection, that it occurred to me that the term "elsewhere" might have been intended to mean that people outside the US might not understand that idiosyncratic usage, the way you and a fellow national were using it. I should have asked what you meant instead of instinctively responding the way I did. I'm sorry for that. As for the other points, I don't know what else to do. I am not anti-U.S. I think I've explained that well enough and don't know what else I can say. I certainly don't mean to offend anyone, and apologize if that's been the case. Stephen Beecroft wrote: > Marc, this back-and-forth between us has long ago degenerated into > name-calling and accusations from your part, to the point that I am no > longer enjoying the correspondence and find myself tempted to respond to > you in kind. That's silly, of course; there is no point in being on a > discussion list that raises bad feelings. So go ahead and have The Last > Word in the discussions. Claim you meant the opposite of what you said. > Claim you said the opposite of what you said. Say that black is white, > up is down, and Canada is south. Whatever. I've had more than enough of > this discussion. Congratulations! Your perseverence has won you yet > another round. > > But don't think this means I won't respond any more to your comically > anti-US remarks or point out glaring flaws in your logic. I'll just try > to be nicer about it, and not to care too much when you refuse to admit > to what you said and do a 180 while claiming you're facing the same > direction as always. > > Stephen > > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated…To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise one’s unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action.” – Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in “The Peloponessian Wars” Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author’s employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ==^^=============================================================== This email was sent to: email@example.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===============================================================