> Okay, I'll take that. Let me rephrase my question: Jim, care
> to back *any* of this up with any actual facts?

I already wrote, then deleted, a response to this, deciding that Jim can 
take care of himself. But I've decided not to let good sense stand in 
the way, so I'll ask anyway: Exactly what do you think he is suppose to 
back up with "actual facts" (as opposed to the other kind, I guess)? 
Seems to me Jim's statements fell into three categories:

1. Tautologies ("Obviously there's little historic evidence to 
substantiate supposedly 'prehistoric' events)

2. Observations ("Scientists are free to indulge their fancy [...] For 
many science devotees, one basic premise is that nothing supernatural 
exists [...] Of course the bible simply assumes that readers have 
implicit faith in the existence of God")

3. Viewpoints ("In science to acknowledge the existence or act of God is 
an awful heresy [...] Therefore the science nazis have to invent ways to 
discount biblical history")

I cannot understand how any of the above three are amenable to support 
by "actual facts". #1 is definition-based; it *establishes* the verbal 
framework for factual discussion. #2 is about as "factual" as you can 
get, saying "Here is what I saw". #3 is obviously opinion, although 
since Jim expressed them in terms of #1 and #2, I don't understand your 
complaint. Are you upset that he did not quote from Hawkings or Crick?

Perhas you were referring to Jim's final paragraph, which I found quite 

"I have long been fascinated by a science discipline referred to as 
'ethnobotany'. This is a narrowly focused study attempting to discern 
the natural origins of domestic plant species. In fact, it is a 
singularly unproductive study, because it is generally found that the 
existence of domestic strains extends back before historic times. Nobody 
really knows for sure where the ancestors of most modern cultivated 
plants arose. The studies return results that are strikingly similar to 
the fruits of anthropologists efforts to find a proto-human ancestor."

Did you want him to cross-reference some fourth-year botany texts to 
establish his words? I doubt any such texts would refer to their subject 
matter as "singularly unproductive". Does that mean it's therefore 
wrong, since the textbooks fail to make that observation?

I'm serious here. I really cannot figure out what you found so offensive 
in Jim's posts. I thought it was brilliant, as usual. But then, I've 
long admired Jim and his writing, so perhaps I'm biased.


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