I would have to ask: Is this "unconditional hate"?  ;-)

Actually, that is a good point to ask. Stephen is reading these verses literally, but 
I happen to know Stephen doesn't read all the scriptures literally (from previous 
discussions). Things to consider when reading these verses in light of all the 
scriptures: What is the reading from the original Hebrew on these? Have ancient 
Christians or Jews or Nephites spoken on how God feels about sinners that differ from 
these verses (I would have to say, yes. Look at the reasons the Lord sends Ammon and 
his brethren to the Lamanites. And if Ammon can love the Lamanites so intensely as to 
not be able to stand thinking about a nation of people in sin, then why should God be 
any different?)?  

If God hates sinners so much, then why does he show so much patience and mercy towards 
them, rather than just quickly wipe them off the earth?  Why didn't he kill Laman and 
Lemuel early on, allowing the Nephites to grow easier in righteousness? Why does God 
give sinners so many "second chances" if he hates them?

Just questions to ask in trying to answer the "literal" disparity that occurs when we 
read the scriptures too literally.


K'aya K'ama
Gerald Smith
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Freedom Forever

Stephen quotes: (Helaman 15:4) But behold my brethren, THE LAMANITES HATH HE [GOD] 
HATED 
because their deeds have been evil continually, and this because of the 
iniquity of the tradition of their fathers.

(Malachi 1:2-3, cited in Romans 9:13) "I have loved you, saith the LORD. 
Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacobís brother? 
saith the LORD: YET I LOVED JACOB, AND I HATED ESAU, and laid his 
mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

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