I guess it all depends on whose stream you are in that determines 
whether we are "mainstream" or not. When it comes to following the 
Lord's prophets, I'll try my best to be as mainstream as possible.

Interesting how hard it is to turn the other cheek at times. Do we do as 
the pacifist Lamanites and lay down our weapons of war, or do we send 
off our sons to do the fighting for us, as they did?  I guess it depends 
upon each and every situation, and what God expects in that moment of 
decision.

Since these anti-Mormon demonstrators are not physically attacking the 
saints, there should be no reason to get physical ourselves. Only in the 
event of an actual attack should we consider fighting, and then only in 
self defense if possible. Of course, there always are exceptions, such 
as when God told Nephi to slay Laban (somewhat pre-emptive, I must say). 
 But there is a standard, and then there are exceptions, and we should 
preach, teach and follow the standard.

Gary Smith


Tom Matkin wrote:
> 
> Stacy,
> 
> That was my point exactly. We will not be mainstream if we continue to
> resist evil with good.  The mainstream response would be to resist evil
> with evil. We are not conforming to the world in this, we are making our
> way following the principles outlined by Christ.
> 
> Tom
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: November 12, 2003 7:40 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out
> > 
> > Whoever said we were supposed to be mainstream?  Aren't we supposed to
> not
> > be conformed to this world?
> > 
> > Stacy.
> > 
> > At 01:20 PM 10/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: October 31, 2003 11:05 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 99,997 ignored antagonists
> > > > By Doug Robinson
> > > > Deseret Morning News
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >        Like a lot of people, you're probably still trying to make
> > >sense
> > > > of the ongoing debate regarding the street preachers and the
> stormin'
> > > > Mormons.
> > >
> > >Matthew 5: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but
> whosoever
> > >shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
> > >
> > >Romans 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things
> honest
> > >in the sight of all men.
> > >18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with
> all
> > >men.
> > >19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto
> > >wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the
> > >Lord.
> > >20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him
> > >drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
> > >21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
> > >
> > >Matthew 5: 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love
> thy
> > >neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
> > >44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
> do
> > >good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use
> > >you, and persecute you;
> > >45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for
> he
> > >maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain
> on
> > >the just and on the unjust.
> > >46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not
> even
> > >the publicans the same?
> > >47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
> do
> > >not even the publicans so?
> > >
> > >I have walked past those "preachers" at the gates of the Conference
> > >Centre and have been tested to just walk on by and leave vengeance to
> > >God. Everything in the media patterns an aggressive response - well
> > >everything since that strange western TV series years ago where
> > >"Grasshopper" (David Carradine as Caine) was supposed to take all
> kinds
> > >of abuse, although it seems to me that in the end, even he, turned to
> > >Kung Fu (after all that's what the series was called) to solve his
> > >problems, his pacifism usually was what got him into trouble.
> > >
> > >If we continue to resist evil with good we will never be mainstream.
> > >
> > >Tom
> > >
> >
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