Actually, I erred. Moses is good, Abraham is better. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man > > > I guess I often thought about the differences between the account of the > creation in the Book of Moses and the Book of Abraham. I think > the one in > Abraham is far more detailed. > > Stacy. > > At 09:44 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >Gary: > > > >Interesting speculation and observations. > > > >I have long believed that Book of Moses provides the most > comprehensive and > >broad scriptural presentation we have as to how God went about > creating the > >worlds. It provides a account that is quite instructive > generally. Moreover, > >it seems to suggest that when we know exactly how He did it, His > processes > >will be grounded in pure science not magic. > > > >RBS > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 7:41 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [ZION] The Descent of Man > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > Now you are just going to have to accept the fact that some > > > things have not been revealed yet. We can only speculate on the > > > descent of man, whether there was an evolution involved or not. > > > My speculation is that the scriptures were written on a > > > personal/lineage history level. In the current FARMS magazine, > > > discussing DNA and the BoM, Sorensen explains what > > > personal/lineage histories of small groups are. > > > As far as they are concerned, the universe revolves around them, > > > and they view events in terms they understand. Amazingly, we do > > > the same today. 9/11 or Pearl Harbor only have value inasmuch as > > > we place value there personally. When our personal worlds are > > > falling apart, it seems the whole world is coming unglued. And > > > when we are doing great, we often forget the pains that still > > > occur throughout the rest of the world. > > > Given archaeology's estimate that there were only 1-200 million > > > people alive in Abraham's day throughout the world, we can > > > understand how unpopulated many places would be, especially > > > further back in Adam's day. We are possibly talking of just a few > > > million people, according to archaeology. It would be very easy > > > to believe him to be the only person upon the earth. > > > Or, it is very possible that the Lord allowed Adam to be first > > > man, and those before him were not counted as in the population > > > of mankind. We worry about thousands and millions of years, when > > > God works in multi-billion years and perhaps much longer periods > > > of mortal time. Was God the Father around prior to the creation > > > of this universe 15 billion years ago? Perhaps. Does it matter? > > > Not really. Did he create this earth 4 billion or 6 thousand > > > years ago? Doesn't matter, either way. He's free to do it any way > > > he likes. Is the Bible a perfect history? Possibly, but not > > > necessarily so. It is highly likely that scribes down the road > > > from Moses could have enhanced some of the story. Why else would > > > there be two creation stories in the Bible? Yes, I know some > > > claim one to be a spiritual creation and the other a physical - > > > but if so, which is which? If the second is the physical > > > creation, then there's no mention of creating Day and Night, > > > earth and water, etc. We just have a general creation, and then > > > man shows up in the Garden. > > > As for the creation stories in the Book of Moses and the > > > endowment, we still don't know whether we are learning about the > > > spiritual creation or the physical one. And there is Book of J > > > evidence of a third-type of creation story within the Bible that > > > falls in line with ancient Babylonian/Sumerian Creation stories > > > (including God having to fight and destroy Leviathan). So, which > > > one do we fully rely upon? > > > Traditionally, we take Genesis 1, and follow it. But it isn't > > > necessarily that easy once we look deeper into the scriptures. > > > > > > Do i believe Adam was a historical person? Absolutely! I just > > > don't know if he was physically the father of all humans, or > > > symbolically the father of all humans. After all, did God create > > > him out of the dust of the earth as the scriptures tell us, or > > > was he transplanted here from another world, as suggested by > > > Brigham Young? More speculation! > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > K'aya K'ama > > > Gerald Smith > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ > > > Freedom Forever > > > > > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > //////////// > > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > /////////// > > > > > > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > ///////////// > >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > //////////// > > > -- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > //////////// > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > /////////// > > >
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