Hey, Tres Seaver wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Martijn Faassen wrote: >> Hanno Schlichting wrote: >>> The ZTK no longer contains any >>> zope.app packages with one exception. >> I'm not sure I understand the details of what you did. >> >> I think we should be careful to just remove the zope.app packages from >> the ZTK entirely. I.e. we should maintain the versions of the zope.app.* >> packages that were in Zope 3.4 (or at least the original Zope 3 tree) in >> the ZTK for the time being. Otherwise we make people's life rather >> difficult. > > zope.app packages are still out there, but no longer part of the ZTK > after Hanno's work: he has squished (or tricked others into doing it) > all remaining dependencies within the ZTK packages on zope.app.*. I'm > +sys.maxint on this change.
I'm very aware of Hanno's efforts and I'm very happy with it, but a lot of people contributed to making this possible. The goal is a clean dependency tree, and "removing zope.app.*" is a sub-goal that a clean dependency tree makes possible. > We can't be "making peoples' life difficult" by removing zope.app.* from > the ZTK, because *nobody has shipped code* which depends on the ZTK per > se. Anybody with dependencies on those packages needs to extend their > own configuration to include them. Hanno has been doing *more* grenade > smothering by helping finish zope.app eradication in Zope2, as well. > CMF is nearly zope.app free (one remaining testing dependency). We have tons of code that needs to upgrade to the ZTK, as the ZTK is derived from Zope 3. Zope 3 contained a lot of extra packages and we've been shipping code of the exploded Zope 3 for a while. Take for instance upgrading an existing Grok-based app. While I'd like zope.app* to be removed as much as possible from those applications, we'll need to at least provide a compatibility set for a while. My idea is to maintain versions of the zope.app.* packages that are known to work together and work with the zope.* packages for the time being. If we don't maintain a set of versions that work together, we risk breaking things. It seems to be the route to least effort to do this maintenance in a special sub-category of the ZTK. At present time I know the steering group certainly doesn't have consensus on removing zope.app.*. I know Jim for one was quite adamant that zope.app.* remain part of the ZTK for the time being (unfortunately one discussion that I neglected to record in the ZTK decisions document). We can't just go and throw these out without a clear decision. Regards, Martijn _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
