-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/22/2011 03:59 AM, Adam GROSZER wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:56:05 -0400 you wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Too many never-resolve failures in our buildbots makes their output just >> noise: the amount of effort required to diagnose the cause of a failure >> seems to have no payoff if we don't get them each cleared up. >> >> I'm just about done with trying to diagnose them, myself, which is >> making me sad, as I *want* to be pleased with the quality of the >> software our community produces. > > I'd say revert back to the original procedure. > The guilty dev has x days to fix the failure or the change gets reverted. > > PS: > And please please kick the guilty one's a**, not the buildbot maintainer's. > It does not make much sense to disable tests just because they fail.
Chameleon is an external dependency, not managed as part of the Zope repository; I presume that the authors / maintainers of the z3c.* packages chose to depend on it with full knowledge of the risks that entails. If a new release of Chameleon breaks z3c.*, then it is the z3c.* maintainers whose tails need to be motivated: they should either get the exteranl dependency fixed, or work around it in their own packages (e.g., by pinning their dependency to a "known good" version, or by updating to use the newer APIs). Leaving the packages as "permanently failing" is obviously not doing anything to motivate those maintainers. Leaving the board red is *de-motivating* to the community at large, who have to wade through failure reports for (apparently) unmaintained packages daily while trying to diagnose stuff which might have been broken by changes made the day before. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2IobQACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ7ZeQCgopO4FTJE9KhgDsXy7OyCtw5V qbcAn3OG56JqlMqKAqOj/YjQRRf0VDoW =68up -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )