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On 03/23/2011 02:40 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote:
> * Tres Seaver <tsea...@palladion.com> [2011-03-22 14:18]:
>> On 03/22/2011 03:59 AM, Adam GROSZER wrote:
>>> And please please kick the guilty one's a**, not the buildbot maintainer's.
>>> It does not make much sense to disable tests just because they fail.
>> Leaving the packages as "permanently failing" is obviously not doing
>> anything to motivate those maintainers.  Leaving the board red is
>> *de-motivating* to the community at large, who have to wade through
>> failure reports for (apparently) unmaintained packages daily while
>> trying to diagnose stuff which might have been broken by changes made
>> the day before.
> I have to admit, I'm ignoring the buildbots completely at this time,
> (even though I think that having them in place could be very valuable),
> since all I perceive from them is failure-noise, and no trend of it
> getting less, at all, over the last few months. (That's my gut feeling,
> not based on research. It still makes me very much want to ignore them.)
> So, I agree with Tres: this situation is quite demotivating.
> But I also agree with Adam: I think the value of the buildbots is that
> they run tests, so disabling tests because they fail feels a little like
> closing our eyes shut because we don't want to see we're going to be
> falling off a cliff.
> I don't have much of an idea how to proceed, except maybe explicitly
> reducing the scope of the buildbots to a set of packages people around
> here care enough about that they want and will keep them green.

Yup.  That is why I was asking to suspend the 'z3c.*' packages which are
failing:  they haven't passed in months, and nobody seems motivated to
fix them.

Although they are in ragged shape at the moment, I *do* work to diagnose
/ fix failures in the ZTK and Zope2 tests.

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