-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/23/2011 02:40 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote: > * Tres Seaver <tsea...@palladion.com> [2011-03-22 14:18]: >> On 03/22/2011 03:59 AM, Adam GROSZER wrote: >>> And please please kick the guilty one's a**, not the buildbot maintainer's. >>> It does not make much sense to disable tests just because they fail. >> >> Leaving the packages as "permanently failing" is obviously not doing >> anything to motivate those maintainers. Leaving the board red is >> *de-motivating* to the community at large, who have to wade through >> failure reports for (apparently) unmaintained packages daily while >> trying to diagnose stuff which might have been broken by changes made >> the day before. > > I have to admit, I'm ignoring the buildbots completely at this time, > (even though I think that having them in place could be very valuable), > since all I perceive from them is failure-noise, and no trend of it > getting less, at all, over the last few months. (That's my gut feeling, > not based on research. It still makes me very much want to ignore them.) > So, I agree with Tres: this situation is quite demotivating. > > But I also agree with Adam: I think the value of the buildbots is that > they run tests, so disabling tests because they fail feels a little like > closing our eyes shut because we don't want to see we're going to be > falling off a cliff. > > I don't have much of an idea how to proceed, except maybe explicitly > reducing the scope of the buildbots to a set of packages people around > here care enough about that they want and will keep them green.
Yup. That is why I was asking to suspend the 'z3c.*' packages which are failing: they haven't passed in months, and nobody seems motivated to fix them. Although they are in ragged shape at the moment, I *do* work to diagnose / fix failures in the ZTK and Zope2 tests. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2KBpMACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ4KfQCgka3lt0/wHdpb/lAIG0KJYp4b b7wAoIivluUBo5XFmF/oFIxUfM8nBqNF =G5fZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )