On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 09:52 +0100, Paul Everitt wrote:
> Geoff is offering to help on the existing site.  That's an urgent need, 
> from all the (ahem) constructive responses I've seen to his note.  The 
> more he helps on the current site, the less pressure you'll have on the 
> "start-from-scratch" plan.
I understand - but I don't think 'starting' from scratch is as duanting
as it appears, because the scope is VERY VERY limited.  I am excited
about making this happen.  I'd like Geoff to assist making this happen.
I think it's close, and whatever effort is made towards the existing
site could literally launch a new one.

Andrew
> 
> I've seen the point made in this thread about choosing Plone and no 
> Plone people helping.  Here's the reason I went from very active to 
> inactive:
> 
>    http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-web/2003-July/002764.html
> 
> I never got a response to that note.  Actually, I did get a one word 
> private response from the ZC CFO: "Understood".  Perhaps things changed, 
> but like others, I got the message about the value of my contributions.
> 
> Plone pre-1.0 might be part of the problem.  But the bigger problem is
> the red tape and attitude.  Plone.org, OTOH, has over a hundred 
> how-to's, over 20 long tutorials, good doc organization, active system 
> administration, great performance, and around 4 active 
> *documentation-only* reviewers.  Even atop that "awful" Plone software. :^)
> 
> zope.org is dead.  plone.org is quite alive.  What's the difference in 
> these two?
> 
> For what ever reason, zope.org gives off a distinct "you're not wanted 
> here" vibe, especially if you're a Plone person.
> 
> --Paul
> 
> 
> Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> > Geoff,
> > Daily several of us (Michael, Martijn F, Phillip V, and a couple others)
> > utilize #zope-web to try and further work that has been going on for
> > awhile to get a suitable zope.org rolled out and upgraded that the
> > community can be proud of.  There are people working on docs, marketing
> > data, newsletters, layout/design upgrades and more.  Please participate
> > in the existing drive, not start a new one.  :)
> > 
> > I'd love to see ya drop by.  There's no secret that the current site
> > needs fixing; lets pool the collective interest and get it finished
> > up.....
> > 
> > Andrew Sawyers
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 12:09 -0500, Geoff Davis wrote:
> >> Hi all--
> >>
> >> I think the idea of a Zope 3 web site rewrite is a great one.  However,
> >> since Zope 2 is going to continue to be around for awhile, I am wondering
> >> if we might be able to shore up the Zope 2 resources in a reasonable way?
> >>
> >> Migrating all the community content sounds like a herculean task; I'm
> >> talking about doing something with rather narrower scope.  Here is what I
> >> propose:
> >>
> >> * Create a new zope.org (or zope2.org) for Zope 2 that is focused on 2
> >> things:
> >>   1) Distribution of Zope 2 and related add-ons
> >>   2) Documentation
> >>
> >> * Maintain all the old community content in the current instance and bind
> >> the two together using URL rewriting.
> >>
> >> The Plone community has developed a couple of products for distributing
> >> software (PloneSoftwareCenter) and for maintaining documentation
> >> (PloneHelpCenter).  You can see these in action at
> >> http://plone.org/products and http://plone.org/documentation ,
> >> respectively.
> >>
> >> I know that zope.org gets a lot of traffic; we also have a product for
> >> making Plone play nicely with Squid.
> >>
> >> I think that people in the Plone community would be willing to help out
> >> with getting such a site set up.  The bigger task would be moving
> >> community content to the new setup.
> >>
> >> Is there any interest?
> >>
> >> Geoff
> >>
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