On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:33:05 -0000, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I don't see how *saying* what Zope 5 will contain will make it *exist*
any time sooner. These sound like useful evolution proposals for Zope 2
and Zope 3 to me...
The current story of Zope 2, Five and Zope 3 gets us in the right
direction (Zope 5, if you want to call it that, though I would
definitely want to introduce yet another name in the mix), step by step.
We don't promise too much to people. We don't raise the wrong
expecations anymore. Everyone in the community is on board.
We are already doing the work that's required to reach the ideal of
"Zope 5". You could rename Zope 2.10 to Zope 5.0, but I don't see what
good that would do except to confuse people. It won't contain the
features you list unless someone actually does all that work. The
alternative is to put Zope 5 in the nebulous future when all the work
you list is done, and it'll be just like our mythical "Zope 3 without
the X" then - confusing people and raising the wrong expectations.
Martijn,
I think you make a very sobering point. It's important to be a little
careful with what you promise, and to keep a clear story for the more
peripheral community and to outsiders.
Zope 3 has, it seems, always been driven by a desire to make the perfect
framework. In many ways, that's good, and the result to date is very
beautiful. It's important to keep some ties to the real world, the
applications people deploy on, systems like CPS and Plone and Silva, and
not tempt them to too many false starts or with false promises that leaves
them waiting forever.
A vision is good. Commitment to that vision is even better. Just be
careful what you promise. :)
Martin
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