I didn't address any of the points you made, but I've decided to address two: (1) When I asked what was inherently defective about a "stable URL" you answered:

a) "It's grim to debug"
Chris, do you really depend on their users to report URLS to support when things go wrong? I use exceptions, logs and auto-emailing of exceptions "as a work around" - what was I thinking! :-)
Then you added
b) (stable url will ...) "confuse your users even more when it goes wrong. "but the thingy in the box is still the same, why is it not working" Chris, this may come as a shock to you, but my users say something incomprehensible like "Purchase Order Edit" "is not working" or COA Maintenance needs A, B and C. Somehow I know what they are talking about - and so do they. (2) Then, I said "If there are superior patterns (for Business Apps) Im the first that wants to see them and this is a welcome discussion"

And you asserted "... there are *many* but that are beyond the scope of this list"

Simple disagreement! I feel its a neglected subject and should be on this list. OK maybe on Sundays?

All best,

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