Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 21. Juni 2005 23:04:12 +0100 Mark Barratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

or there's PHP, where the communities are probably more newbie-friendly
and there are loads of tutorials.

Don't compare PHP with Zope. PHP is a tiny language compared to the fat Zope frameworks. Working with Zope on the scripter level (ZPT, DTMl, ZSQL) requires similar skills as a PHP programmer. If you want to go beyond you have approach open-minded and come a with some solid knowledge in programming and understanding architectural issues in Zope. But when I read some questions here then I have the impression that people except that Zope solves their problems although neither they don't understand the problems themselves nor have the basic skills to reach the goal. That's not a but being newbie-friendly but one can expect as certain level of knowledge when you're working with Zope...e.g. the knowledge how HTML works (that's something kids learn at school nowadays).

I agree with all this, though I suspect you underestimate how little many newcomers know, and not just about HTML, where they may have been inflicted with Front Page or learned in Dreamweaver, where you don't have to either write code or do things 'properly'. But also about the big leap required to get from <title>Something</title> to <title tal:content="template/title|context/title">Untitled Document</title>.

I think we (the Zope community) should try to be clearer in telling newcomers what the 'entry requirements' are.

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