Hi Michael, michael nt milne wrote: > Also I feel that Plone has > usabillity which sits above it's prettyness. It is a well designed > interface graphically but also has very strong non graphical usability > elements. >
You are correct - but you are not comparing like with like, as Plone is an /application/ and Zope is an /application server/. An analogous comparison might be between a car's dashboard and it's engine compartment - you would expect the dashboard to be designed for a human user above all, but the engine compartment - however logically laid out - is primarily functional and is always going to appear alien to the person who is more comfortable driving than using a spanner. Ultimately, Zope's ZMI user interface is designed for techies who want a minimal user interface which allows them to see the moving parts, not the kind of end-user oriented GUI that Plone sports. You've been given a bit of a hard time in this thread, and I think that some good points have been made, but I've seen your energetic but somewhat misdirected posting as more a symptom of youth and over-confidence than any great sin - you seem to be coping with the feedback, so you'll learn. However, I'd like to make the point that the counter-productive and gratuitous insults for which Chris is rightly famous are another thing entirely. He's a clever bloke and helpful, but he seems to enjoy being rude - which is a shame. FWIW, I think the best advice you've been given, albeit in the midst of quite a strong mail were Floyd's - "the security framework in Zope and Plone was built in the way that it is FOR A REASON" - both in terms of etiquette and in terms of what should be reasonable to assume, it is usually best to assume that the core of Zope and Plone /work/, and that if some part of them appears not to then it is more likely the nut behind the steering wheel that is responsible, as it were. ;-) Have a good weekend... -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail & Facsimile: 07092 070518 "You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start." - Tony Harrison _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )