>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Taylor
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>>a) Symbols can be on notes, rests and bar lines
>>
>>Bad Idea.  This breaks all existing programs which support aligned words,
>>and any existing files which include aligned words and rests.

>Forgive my ignorance, why is this a bad idea? Have I misunderstood the
>spec? I'm writing my parser/player/display program. I've already
>implemented the above and it was not hard to achieve (I can make the
>symbols attach to anything in the markup, pretty much).


Then anyone who uses your program to make abcs with aligned words will
find that their files don't work properly with any other software.
Likewise they will find that in any files they download from the net
the lyrics won't align properly.

>>If such a fundamental change from existing practice is to be contemplated
>>we will need some way of marking files to show that they are to be
>>interpreted in the new way.
>
>I couldn't see (from reading 1.7.6 and 2.0) what the difference was,
>except that 2.0 provided me with more information to work with (i.e. 2.0
>stated it was notes/rests/bar lines, where as I don't 1.7.6 stating that
>(implying it was everything).

As far as I can see all of the existing standards mention only lyrics
aligning with notes, and while they specifically state that gracenotes are
not included, make no mention of rests or bar lines.  Existing software
(e.g. BarFly and abcm2ps) interpret this to mean that rests and bar
lines are to be skipped.  Admittedly the standards are a little ambiguous
here, but there is a well-established precedent, and lots of files which
will be broken if you make a different interpretation.

>>It is not manadatory for abc to support every strange construction which
>>anyone
>>has ever used in staff notation.
>
>I don't mind, I'm not pushing an agenda. I'll implement what other
>people want. My understanding was notes/rests/bar lines. If I've
>misunderstood, please tell me and provide clarification as to what the
>standard is.

There are lots of examples of songs with aligned words at
<http://folkinfo.org/songs/>.
If your software displays these correctly then you're on the right lines.
If not, please think again!

Phil Taylor


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