Hi Rick, Stop whining ;-)
You've been asked on 7/17 by Robbie. Ulf |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan |Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 2:14 PM |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | |Oh, and given a bit to think..... | |You asked Dean - but you didn't ask me. Huh. NOW I know |where *I* stand..... In your mind, off the edge, if Dean was |just right at.... ;-) | |Rick | |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe |Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:36 PM |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | |Hey I needed to maintain a certain quality.... | |Did you send something to Robbie to say you wanted to review |it? In the end we were begging for reviewers, I even took Dean |as a reviewer and you know the edge I had to be on for |that.... He kept wanting to spell words wrong. |Eventually I just took out all references to the words color, |humor, and other or words. | | | |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan |Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:31 PM |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | |joe said: "Again, the reviewers did a fantastic job." | |Of which, you will all notice when the book comes out, I am |_NOT_ one of those reviewers..... | |joe said: "They kept me honest...." | |Which is one of the reason _WHY_ I was not one of those reviewers.... | |Rick | |P.S. Hey, joe.... :op | |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe |Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:10 PM |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | |Not out yet, I am expecting Mid November or Early December. I |sent an email to see if I can find out. | |The book is NOT written in my voice, I tried as best as |possible to maintain the voice that was there. I simply |revised it though I did add a Chapter on ADAM and a chapter on |some basic Exchange/AD Scripting. If you have the first or |second edition I think you will find this edition worthy of |picking up even if you don't have Windows Server 2003 SP1 or |R2. I tried fleshing out and changing anything I didn't feel |was "right". Also the reviewers all did a bangup job finding |things I missed. I admit I didn't sleep much in August or |September. Tony may have noticed a lull in the list volume, me |working on that book saved at least 2 bazillion helpless bits |from being sacrificed. | |I learned that revising a book may actually be harder than |writing a book from scratch and you get paid less. Well maybe |it is depending on if you know what you want to write about. |With revising you can't just write, you have to read, reread, |write, reread, write, reread, tweak, reread. When you change |the flow and feel and voice it is like hitting a brick wall |when reading. I am sure I didn't get rid of all of the bricks |but I certainly tried to knock the walls down to a point where |you can step over them without too much trouble. Anyway, I |spent less time writing the ADAM chapter than I spent updating |the security chapter. I know now that I probably should have |just rewritten from scratch and it would have gone faster. Oh |well, live and learn or don't live long. | |Again, the reviewers did a fantastic job. They kept me honest |when I tried to skip over some stuff when I got tired and I |thank them profusely. I tried to do them justice in the small |space provided to me for acknowledgements. |Those are the things people tend not to look at at the front |of the book. I do ask that if you pick up the book, you do |look. Those, folks, deserve, |the: attention. | | | joe | | | | | |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb |Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:01 PM |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | |joe, > "Active Directory Third Edition" |What is this? Where is it? | |RH |_________________________________ | |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe |Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:12 AM |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | | |I would not be surprised. I know this list has become quite |popular and for good reason. It is one of the few places where |I learn things that I don't stumble over myself. Many times I |learn things when people make random comments about their |environment which kicks a realization in myself on how |something probably works in the backend. It is pretty cool. | |On the downside sounds like my total sales on Active Directory |Third Edition will be in the area of 2000 copies which isn't |going to buy me a 100ft ocean ready cruiser. ;o) | |Understood on posting the lurker list. On top of the spammers, |I am sure some lurkers would not be happy to be out-ed like |that. I don't have an issue with lurkers myself. In fact I |would love to hear we have some 25000 lurkers, it means a lot |of people are getting a lot of good info. | | |> Everyone has to send me 25% of their income. It's only fair really. | |Does the postal service even deliver to NZ? | | | joe | |P.S. So now I am feeding everyone? No wonder my pantry is empty! | | | | |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Murray |Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:35 PM |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | |Well, if I told you we have around 1500 people subscribed in |standard mode and a couple of hundred subscribed in digest |mode, would you be surprised? |:-) | |I could post the lurker list, but I don't really want spammers |to get hold of it. | |Personally, I have no problem with lurkers. And, hey, it's my |list. :-) | |On the subject of money, I'm considering operating the list in |the style |of a TV evangelist. Everyone has to send me 25% of their |income. It's |only fair really. | |Tony | |PS. Joe, I've had no complaints about you to date. Why would |people want to bite the hand that feeds them? | | |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe |Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 12:09 p.m. |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | |Oh just a joke, I don't think Tony would do it. Though I |wouldn't mind Tony occasionally posting the lurker list, I am |curious as to how many people I am getting mad at me any given day. :o) | | | |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Gilbert |Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:58 PM |To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) | |Not to hijack this thread but, I hope lurking remains free. | |Dan | |> -------- Original Message -------- |> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) |> From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |> Date: Thu, October 13, 2005 2:50 pm |> To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> |> |> |> I have found that shooting for your contract salary is as good a |> target as |any, but expect to miss unless you didn't get a very good |contract rate. |I have only seen one case where a company was willing to pay |contract level fees to a FTE and that was back when I first |got back into the industry (I burned out on it back when I was |about 21 or so and left it) and had been completely screwed |over by the contract house for my rate where they were making |at least as much as I was. When I said I was leaving the FTE |offer I received would have been a 60% raise from my previous |salary. Unfortunately, the new contract position I was taking |was a 100%+ increase and with OT (which you don't get as a |FTE) ended up being a 200% increase. |> |> Anyway, you tend to take a considerable hit (I have seen |reductions of | |> 20%-75% for FTE offers and all but one of which I turned down cold) |> but you try to make it up in benefits such as vaca, retirement, |> insurance, etc. As a contractor you tend to have a different mindset |> than as an FTE as well. As a contractor it is jump for the money and |> your mind should always be ready to make that jump. As FTE it seems |> people get in a rut and don't want to move once they start to get a |> feeling of ownership. Personally I wouldn't be an FTE but for a very |> small handful of companies where I really like and respect the |> management. My manager I have now is probably one of the |best managers | |> in the universe, he is certainly the best I have had to this |point in |> my "career" and I have had several good managers. He is the kind of |> guy that you love or hate, if you aren't above the curve, you hate |> him. But then I have often been described as the person you love or |> hate myself. I had one manager once say of me, "joe is the Bill |> Lambeer of IT, if he is on y |our team you feel great and you love him. If he isn't, you |want to kill him.". Another said "joe is worth his weight in |gold and he ain't a small guy...". After I heard that one I |went and asked for a raise. |Somehow I failed. |> |> Every time I have negotiated with someone on any job I |always just ask | |> up |front, so what salary or rate are you thinking. If the range |is some ridiculous range like $50k-$300k which headhunters |like to do because they think they are bright or something I |tell the person they need to give a more realistic range of |somewhere within $10k and it better not be pumped up with |possible bonuses (Bonuses are not salary). If they can't or |won't, spend your time elsewhere. |> |> |> Keep in mind, whatever rate you ask for, make sure it covers sending |> gifts |of beer and chocolate and possibly money to the members of |this list for keeping your head above water. I don't think any |single person has generated such a volume in the number of |questions asked since I have been watching this list. It |actually made me wonder at one point if Tony could somehow |arrange it so that people pay for every question asked and |they get credit for every answer given that people vote on and |say is a good answer. If no one can answer the question (note |that isn't the same as the answer doesn't work for someone for |whatever localized reason) then full refund. |> |> joe |> |> |> |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kern |> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:37 PM |> To: activedirectory |> Subject: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) |> |> |> |> well, i've been consulting for 2 months full time for a company and |> now they want to make me an offer to work for them(yeah,i'm amazed |> too..) |At first it was a head/senior AD position but now they want |to throw in Exchange in the mix. |> they used to outsource all their windows infrastructure and during my |tenure there, they took it back so they have no AD/Exchange people. |> |> This is a 3000 user finanical corp in Manhattan. |> |> my question is, what kind of salary would one expect for a such a |position, taking into account the bussiness and location and size. |> |> |> thanks | |List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx |List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx |List archive: |http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ | |List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx |List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx |List archive: |http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ | |############################################################### |######### |##### |This communication, including any attachments, is |confidential. 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