On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org> wrote:
> > Well, I think you might have overreacted to his writing style for cultural > reasons > > However, I also think that -- to be Americanly blunt -- you're very > unlikely to learn anything from conversing with Mike, On AGI-related topics, I meant. He may well have other areas of expertise where we could learn a lot from him, but they are not the focus of this list. > nor to make much positive impact on his own understanding by conversing > with him. > > So in this case, I reckon the cultural factors are kind of irrelevant ;-) > > ben > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Pei Wang <mail.peiw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Richard and Ben, >> >> If you think I, as a Chinese, have overreacted to Mike Tintner's >> writing style, and this is just a culture difference, please let me >> know. In that case I'll try my best to learn his way of communication, >> at least when talking to British and American people --- who knows, it >> may even improve my marketing ability. ;-) >> >> Pei >> >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org> wrote: >> > >> > And when a Chinese doesn't answer a question, it usually means "No" ;-) >> > >> > Relatedly, I am discussing with some US gov't people a potential project >> > involving customizing an AI reasoning system to emulate the different >> > inferential judgments of people from different cultures... >> > >> > ben >> > >> > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Richard Loosemore <r...@lightlink.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Ben Goertzel wrote: >> >>> >> >>> yeah ... that's not a matter of the English language but rather a >> matter >> >>> of the American Way ;-p >> >>> >> >>> Through working with many non-Americans I have noted that what >> Americans >> >>> often intend as a "playful obnoxiousness" is interpreted by >> non-Americans >> >>> more seriously... >> >> >> >> Except that, in fact, Mike is not American but British. >> >> >> >> As a result of long experience talking to Americans, I have discovered >> >> that what British people intend as routine discussion, Americans >> interpret >> >> as serious, intentional obnoxiousness. And then, what Americans (as >> you >> >> say) intend as playful obnoxiousness, non-Americans interpret more >> >> seriously. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard Loosemore >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I think we had some mutual colleagues in the past who favored such a >> >>> style of discourse ;-) >> >>> >> >>> ben >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Pei Wang <mail.peiw...@gmail.com >> >>> <mailto:mail.peiw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org >> >>> <mailto:b...@goertzel.org>> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > IMHO, Mike Tintner is not often rude, and is not exactly a >> >>> "troll" because I >> >>> > feel he is genuinely trying to understand the deeper issues >> >>> related to AGI, >> >>> > rather than mainly trying to stir up trouble or cause irritation >> >>> >> >>> Well, I guess my English is not good enough to tell the subtle >> >>> difference in tones, but his comments often sound that "You AGIers >> are >> >>> so obviously wrong that I don't even bother to understand what you >> are >> >>> saying ... Now let me tell you ...". >> >>> >> >>> I don't enjoy this tone. >> >>> >> >>> Pei >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> >> agi >> >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ben Goertzel, PhD >> > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC >> > Director of Research, SIAI >> > b...@goertzel.org >> > >> > "I intend to live forever, or die trying." >> > -- Groucho Marx >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> agi >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > Director of Research, SIAI > b...@goertzel.org > > "I intend to live forever, or die trying." > -- Groucho Marx > > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI b...@goertzel.org "I intend to live forever, or die trying." -- Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=123753653-47f84b Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
