There have been several reports of AOLserver crashing, but very little data on 
what the conditions are that cause the crash. 

Is it possible that the problem is in a Tcl or AOLserver module and not in 
aolserver? The folks helping out with the problem appear to understand what 
is going on, but it leaves me (at least) wondering if there is some nasty 
bug. 

When bugs of this nature are reported is it possible to provide more 
information so that other users can distinguish this behavior from other 
similar problems, or be able to figure out if it might affect a particular 
configuration?  Heck, maybe it is an old operating system clashing with new 
code, but these reports only create doubt for other users.

Also, I noticed that TclX is being used in one system with a bug, which may 
not be thread safe. Does ns_thread* work well with a plain AOLserver? 


tom jackson

On Friday 03 November 2006 10:31, Alex wrote:
> Oh, well
>
> so I guess it was too early to celebrate. Now I am getting the same
> crashes again, even without "exit" command in the tcl code executed in
> thread.
>
> Seems to me that the same problem now discussed in
> bug 1589968
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=103152&aid=1589968&group_
>id=3152
>
> and
>
> bug 1582671
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=110894&aid=1582671&group_i
>d=10894
>
>
> Thanks,
> ~ Alex.
>
> On 11/1/06, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Zoran, Jim
> >
> > thanks very much for suggestions!
> > I think I figured it out.
> > The code which was executing in the thread concluded with "exit" tcl
> > command. I got it replaced with "return" and it seems not to be crashing
> > anymore.
> >
> > However, it would be probably a good idea to disable/rename "exit" for
> > the code executed in threads created by ns_thread. Not sure if this
> > shall be submitted as an "enhancement"-level bug.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > ~ Alex.
> >
> > On 11/1/06, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > I tried in on the command line, seems to be my case :)
> > >
> > > However, I run aolserver on debian, via /etc/init.d/aolserver,
> > > Which basically invokes /usr/lib/aolserver4/bin/nsd.
> > > How do I make it use nstclsh instead of tclsh ?
> > > I don't see any options for that.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > ~ Alex.
> > >
> > > On 11/1/06, Jim Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I think this is related to the comment I added to the RELEASE notes:
> > > >
> > > > * Loading libnsd into a tclsh and then creating new threads with
> > > > the ns_thread command will result in a crash when those threads
> > > > exit. The issues has to do with finalization of the async-cancel
> > > > context used to support the new "ns_ictl cancel" feature.  This bug
> > > > is not present when using the "nstclsh" binary.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The issue above, where Tcl is initialized before AOLserver by loading
> > > > libnsd into tclsh, results in Tcl thread local storage being
> > > > finalized before AOLserver's context which includes a pointer to an
> > > > async handler.
> > > >
> > > > Now, that's not what you're doing here but perhaps TclX is having the
> > > > same effect.  I haven't looked at TclX for sometime so I can't recall
> > > > what it would be using an async handler for -- perhaps you could dig
> > > > through the code and comment it out as the async handler stuff was
> > > > really designed for Unix signal-related things which aren't common in
> > > > multi-threaded AOLserver.
> > > >
> > > > Alternatively, Tcl could be fixed to avoid freeing itself before
> > > > AOLserver or any other extension.  Unfortunately, that could be a big
> > > > job -- the Tcl core is already riddled with a lot of code to try to
> > > > manage the order of finalization.
> > > >
> > > > -Jim
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 1, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Zoran Vasiljevic wrote:
> > > > > On 01.11.2006, at 23:27, Alex wrote:
> > > > >> Hi,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am getting yet another crash in AOLServer 4.5.0.
> > > > >> This time it crashes after exiting from threads started with
> > > > >> "ns_thread begin" or "ns_thread begindetached".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Any Suggestions?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >> ~ Alex.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> > > > >> [Switching to Thread 1086359904 (LWP 19612)]
> > > > >> 0x00002aaaaae6c2a7 in Tcl_AsyncDelete (async=0x54e6c0) at
> > > > >> /srv/DIST/tcl8.4.13/unix/../generic/tclAsync.c:297
> > > > >> 297             while (prevPtr->nextPtr != asyncPtr) {
> > > > >> (gdb) back
> > > > >> #0  0x00002aaaaae6c2a7 in Tcl_AsyncDelete (async=0x54e6c0) at
> > > > >> /srv/DIST/tcl8.4.13/unix/../generic/tclAsync.c:297
> > > > >> #1  0x00002aaaad48190e in TclX_SelectInit () from /usr/lib/
> > > > >> libtclx8.4.so.1
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure TclX is thread-safe...
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Zoran
> > > > >
> > > > >
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