Give me the ASW20 any day :-) Best Regards, Mike Durrant VH-FQF
On 18/08/2011, at 11:26 AM, "Ross McLean" <ross...@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Hi Robert > > I note that the Nimbus 2 has a handicap equivalent to an ASW20. The Nimbus > 4DM has the same handicap as an ASG29. > > ROSS > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Robert Hart > Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 7:46 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps > > > > On 17/08/11 21:14, Michael Durrant wrote: > > Folk, > > > > Having now had the oppurtunity to fly a competitive Std class glider FQF > (LS8) after many years campaigning GOD (19M Jantar) in the one class you > could fly (Sports Class) with any hope of a competitive result, I would ask > that if there is any review underway of Sports Class handicaps that based on > empirical evidence alone, the older Open/19M class gliders handicaps in that > class be reviewed. > > > > The low wing loading benefit on very weak days does not compensate for the > loss incurred on the average competition day in Australia for these gliders > given the way the polar drops off at normal cruising speed, especially given > our current tasking approach which rarely, if ever, tests the book ends of > the day when there might be some advantage for these gliders. > > > > Given LS8/18 (0.895 handicap) performance on both strong and weak days, the > relative handicaps applied to the Jantar 19M (0.910), Nimbus 2 (.90) etc are > a joke...........based on my personal experience. > > > > As a pilot of such a 30 year old open class glider, I would say that my > experience of the handicapping across the board (ballasted and unballasted) > for older gliders needs review. > > As I understand it, the handicaps are related almost exclusively to wing > loading. Whilst this may well be a reasonable idea when the aerodynamics of > the wings are very similar, this is not so when we are talking about > intergenerational changes in aerodynamics. > > Even a passing perusal of the polars of recent gliders shows very significant > performance gains of gliders from the 1980s, which have significant > performance gains over the early glass ships such as the Nimbus 2. > > If the aim of handicapping is to try to create a more level playing field to > allow the skill of the pilot to shine through, then this issue needs to be > addressed. > > If that is not the aim of the handicapping system could someone please > explain why we have a handicapping system at all? > > > -- > Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au > +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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