The statements attributes to Ashley Highfield seem to talk about *users* (eg. measured as unique cookies) whereas the other numbers we're comparing against here are being described as "usage" and "hits".

Just thought I'd point it out before we get in a mess :-)


Matt

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:38:19 -0000, vijay chopra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks for that, I was pretty certain there was a mistake somewhere as I
said, I'd expect for a site as big as bbc.co.uk to get more than 4-600 hits from people on their mobile phones (I have a low-tech Nokia 60-70, and even it's capable of viewing the beebs site, add opera mini and most of the web
is available).

Now the question is the mistake in the reporting or in Ashley's comments;
either mistakenly or, as the conspiracy nuts will no doubt think, on
purpose.

Vijay.

On 01/11/2007, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I've been discussing this in the office, so I did some sums

Having a look at various (non-BBC) site stats I have access to, I'm seeing a 3-4% market share. Now on some of them, I know I'm counting towards those
stats, but one particular site (with a 3.6% Linux usage) I don't look at
regularly (I just fix broken code on rare occassions).

Even if we say bbc.co.uk has a 2% Linux usage, that's 340,000 users. And
if we say that bbc.co.uk has a 0.1% Linux usage, that's 17,000.

Some stats have put Linux desktop usage at as low as 0.26%, so even if we
take the 0.1% figure, I'd expect a lot more than 400-600!

I have a feeling that there's been a bit of a mistake made somewhere down
the line :)

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*Subject:* [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

Just read this<http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/internet-and-broadband/news/bbc-not-in-bed-with-bill-gates-over-iplayer?articleid=36522951>
interview with Mr Highfield
"Highfield used the numbers of non-Windows users visiting bbc.co.uk as
justification for the corporation's XP-only release. "We have 17.1 million users of bbc.co.uk in the UK and, as far as our server logs can make out,
5 per cent of those [use Macs] and around 400 to 600 are Linux users.""
(via slashdot <http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/01/133259>)

Have tech.co.uk missed out a zero as I can't believe that the number of
Linux users is that low, I'd expect more people to visit the site on their
mobile phones than that.
Unless perhaps most do as I do and go straight to news.bbc.co.uk and
bypass bbc.co.uk entirely (in which case using those numbers as
justification for ignoring iPlayer on Linux is bizarre; perhaps some more
research into your audience is in order?).

Though it feels good to be a member of such an exclusive club, can we have the number of Linux users visiting news.bbc.co.uk please? That way we can
see if Mr Highfield's claims stand up to scrutiny.

Vijay.





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