The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 333 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Autoconsortium Re: Autoconsortium Re: Autoconsortium Re: Autoconsortium Re: Autoconsortium Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Re: Autoconsortium Re: Autoconsortium
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 21:07:46 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Autoconsortium Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh well...if they feel some small dealership in Indiana with less than 15 cars in inventory represents a risk, then more power to them. It will take me less time to change my name than it will for some overpaid lawyer to bill a single worthless hour...perhaps the leeches will get a few hours on the books. Yep, I just love this country. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Dadgar > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 6:04 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: [UUC] Autoconsortium > > On Dec 8, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Alex Cagann wrote: > > Still here. Closed down Auto Consortium...didn't work out with > > previous > > business partner. Got a new partner and new business as of early > > this year. > > My new business is called Symbolic Motors. > > > > http://www.symbolicautosales.com > > Congrats! > > You can expect a call from these guys' lawyers any minute now. > > <http://www.symbolicmotors.com/> > > - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 21:11:28 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Autoconsortium Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Symbolic Motors is only a d/b/a name. Our name with the state is Symbolic Auto Sales Incorporated. Unless I am missing something...I assume we are safe? Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Alan Selleck > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 7:06 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: [UUC] Autoconsortium > > Unless one of the companies is incorporated, and/or has a NATIONAL > trademark on the name, no one is going to sue anyone. Not successfully. > There are any number of business names duplicated all over the US and > internationally. My business name is trademarked in NC, but it means > nothing out of state. Also, if the OLDER company is not incorporated, > and the newer company incorporates, or trademarks the name, then the > older company will have to sue to try to stop the newer company from > using the name. A proof of damage would have to be made, and a claim of > prior use may or may not win in court. An expensive route to take. > > Mark Selleck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:14:38 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Autoconsortium Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Dec 8, 2006, at 7:11 PM, Alex Cagann wrote: > Symbolic Motors is only a d/b/a name. Our name with the state is > Symbolic > Auto Sales Incorporated. Unless I am missing something...I assume > we are > safe? Honestly, I don't think you have much to worry about. I'm no lawyer, though. I just thought it was interesting because Symbolic Motors is a HUGE dealership in SoCal and does a ton of volume in exotics and collectables. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 21:23:54 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mark Dadgar'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Autoconsortium Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had never heard of those dOOds before...but I see your point. After reviewing their website and seeing their size...I can see I am nothing more than a fart in their wind. Definitely would be funny if I were sued by them...the publicity may even help my lowly cause :-) Alex > Honestly, I don't think you have much to worry about. I'm no lawyer, > though. > > I just thought it was interesting because Symbolic Motors is a HUGE > dealership in SoCal and does a ton of volume in exotics and > collectables. > > - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:27:20 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Autoconsortium Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Dec 8, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Alex Cagann wrote: > Definitely would be funny if I were sued by them...the publicity > may even > help my lowly cause :-) That would be the time to call Todd Serota. He's good at both of those things. :) - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:02:10 -0500 From: "Chet Dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I noted the tires were slicks, not even intermediate wets.....or full rains. With track conditions like that, who in the world is out on full slicks? Very glad to see no serious injuries. Chet Dawes -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Liu Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 911; bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com; 'Racing' Subject: [UUC] Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Luckily, no one appears to be seriously hurt. Especially that very lucky track worker. A heckuva video. Ferraris, Vipers, Saleens, Porsches, Listers, can't even identify some of the victims. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqxdj_wetrace Or here: http://www.flabber.nl/archief/018559.php Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:13:04 -0500 From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chet Dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You've never been caught in a sudden downpour? Woody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chet Dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile >I noted the tires were slicks, not even intermediate wets.....or full >rains. > With track conditions like that, who in the world is out on full slicks? > > Very glad to see no serious injuries. > > Chet Dawes > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Liu > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:25 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 911; bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com; 'Racing' > Subject: [UUC] Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile > > Luckily, no one appears to be seriously hurt. Especially that very lucky > track worker. A heckuva video. Ferraris, Vipers, Saleens, Porsches, > Listers, can't even identify some of the victims. > > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqxdj_wetrace > > Or here: > > http://www.flabber.nl/archief/018559.php > > Vty, > > --Dennis > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 14:27:32 -0500 From: "Chet Dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Woody'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Woody, The marshals all had rain gear on and the announcer commented that one of the Lister race cars was on rain tires and 'made it through'. I'm certain there was: A) Enough warning that a storm like that was coming and therefore; B) there was time to come into the pits for rain tires as proven by at least one competitor. Yes I've been in sudden downpours, but it is pretty easy to see when they are coming (rain like that is obvious before it occurs). If there is enough time for all that standing water to accumulate, this one had not 'just hit' and therefore I think it is ridiculously irresponsible of the drivers/crew to be out there on full slicks in weather like that. It is a miracle there were no serious injuries. But that's only my opinion. Cheers, Chet Dawes -----Original Message----- From: Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:13 PM To: Chet Dawes; bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile You've never been caught in a sudden downpour? Woody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chet Dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile >I noted the tires were slicks, not even intermediate wets.....or full >rains. > With track conditions like that, who in the world is out on full slicks? > > Very glad to see no serious injuries. > > Chet Dawes > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:26:29 +0000 (UTC) From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If it starts pouring out of no where when we're at the track, be it a DE or > a race, please please please, just stop. As in: go 10mph off line if you > have slicks on and go in the pits ASAP before you determine the limit of >traction and ruin the day for you or others. Or, if you're an advanced student at an NCC school you can just slow down a good bit and celebrate your extra skidpad time 8^ D. Our last school had one solid rain day. Don't think my "A" student broke 60 all day in his supercharged M3...sideways on half of his corners. He had more fun and learned more that day than the dry day before. No racing slicks, old Original Pilot Sports...far worse. Marc Plante E36 M3/4, 75k Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:14:52 -0800 From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Liu wrote: > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqxdj_wetrace Why did it take so long for Race Control to throw the red flag? Cars were still coming around that bend at race pace, long after the pileup started. That marshal over the wall really really scared me! (I bet he was a bit scared too.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:40:56 -0600 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Why did it take so long for Race Control to throw the red flag? Actually, that is a small issue. Reality is anyone with any experience knows you CANNOT drive slicks on rain. You just can't, it's a fact. The in-car of the Saleen shows that he accelerates at 75-100% on the begining of the straight in the pouring rain. What an idiot. These racers should have slowed. If it starts pouring out of no where when we're at the track, be it a DE or a race, please please please, just stop. As in: go 10mph off line if you have slicks on and go in the pits ASAP before you determine the limit of traction and ruin the day for you or others. Jon ______________________________________________ Jon Siccardi - DM #053 #052- Retired TreehouseRacing.com M50conversion.com 615.333.9118 ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sutterfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Worst GT racing crash (wet) I've seen in awhile > Dennis Liu wrote: >> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqxdj_wetrace > > Why did it take so long for Race Control to throw the red flag? Cars were > still coming around that bend at race pace, long after the pileup started. > > That marshal over the wall really really scared me! (I bet he was a bit > scared too.) > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:01:10 -0700 From: "Grant Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC BMW Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Autoconsortium Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just bought a gorgeous Merc from that chap. Thx Al ;) Grant Cagann '95 ///M '03 Wagon Queen Family Truckster (w/ CB and optional Rally Fun pack) Glendale, AZ Alex, Did your business close down or did it change names? I don't think Cagann has dialed in of late. Anyone know how he's doing? -Kevin '99 M3, w/slipping clutch ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:21:09 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUC BMW Digest'" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Autoconsortium Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Grant...like the Vacation humor there. I don't see why they call it hamburger helper...does just fine by itself. Real tomato catsup Eddie? Alex Cagann > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Cagann > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:01 PM > To: UUC BMW Digest > Subject: Re: [UUC] Autoconsortium > > I just bought a gorgeous Merc from that chap. Thx Al ;) > > Grant Cagann > '95 ///M > '03 Wagon Queen Family Truckster (w/ CB and optional Rally Fun pack) > Glendale, AZ ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
