At least topic is getting some attention! Ken
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ0nVxD2Nck Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2023, at 10:09 AM, Alicia Plotkin <t...@ottcmail.com> wrote: The full Committee Report with its recommendations here<https://americanornithology.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/1-AOS-EBNC_recommendations_23_10_19.pdf>. It's easy to read & has some interesting material not included in the public statement put up on the web page. The Committee seems not to have considered the question of costs that individual birders might bear, but for the AOS itself it found (pp 25-26): Administrative support for this step will not be trivial. For the public comment period, interactive platform(s) will need to be set up in order to moderate and accept the desired input. For broadcasting new names and general publicity, substantial investment will likely need to be made for setting up workflows to track and manage web and social media communications, publish press releases, and handle media relations. ... We recognize this process is potentially costly. If the cost is prohibitive, then partnerships with other bird-focused organizations may be a step to consider. Different organizations could pool resources to implement each step of the public engagement process and take ownership of different steps in the workflow. This collaboration will add another layer of complexity in project management and require time for strategic planning discussions (e.g., reconciling institutional priorities, actively facilitating dynamics to ensure different groups do not feel differently treated because of what they might be able to contribute). In answer to John's other question, the committee recommended as follows on pp 9-10: The committee is also not making recommendations on scientific names. As in all of zoology, avian scientific naming procedures follow the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN), which is beyond the purview of the AOS. The International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature recently established its position opposing the use of ethical reasons alone to justify the renaming of scientific Latin names of taxa. So if this is indeed how it play's out, wilsonii can continue as a species name for the Cuban Kite (so long as it survives) and Wilson's Plover. However the genus Wilsonii disappeared when based on genetic studies, Hooded Warbler was moved to Setophaga and Wilson's & Canada were placed in Cardellina in 2011. Alicia On 11/6/2023 7:45 AM, John Gregoire wrote: Thanks for that. A couple of issues. One is the resulting heavy cost of change, Think checklists,alphanumeric codes, field guides are three that immediately come to mind. When we did the second printing of the National Geo guide, we opted to new editions and not an errata list of changes. My plant guides are already full of redactions and pen/ink changes. Second is the question of not changing scientific names. Does this mean that the Wilsonia will remain intact? John On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 7:12 AM Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com<mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Very interesting Irene. Thank you for providing this document! Linda Orkin On Nov 5, 2023, at 2:04 PM, Irene Liu <il...@cornell.edu<mailto:il...@cornell.edu>> wrote: Hi everyone, I was a member of the ad hoc English Bird Names committee. Great to read everyone's comments and to know that people are reflecting on the recommendations we wrote. I encourage those wondering about why we endorsed removing all eponyms, including eponyms honoring people who made important contributions to ornithology, to read our justification for that particular recommendation here: here: https://americanornithology.org/about/english-bird-names-project/english-bird-names-committee-recommendations/#justification Apologies if I'm duplicating anyone else's response. I receive the digest and so am not reading messages in real time. 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