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Subject: Re : Re: [CentOS] Need advice on storage 



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Date: Lundi, Novembre 12, 2007 9:25 pm 
Objet: Re: [CentOS] Need advice on storage 
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> Guy, 
> 
> I don't think raptor hard drives are necessarily value for money 
> and in your case, I believe that you'd be *much* better served 
> with some sort of redundancy and not just plain old striping. 
> 
> I'd recommend that you stick with software raid and do something 
> like this; 
> 
> 
> 1 x silicon image PCI 4 port sata controller *not hardware raid* 
> ($25 from ebay for example) 
> 3 x 320gb sata hdd (~ $100 each here in Australia) 
> 
> for a total of $325 AUD you'd get around 640gb or redundant 
> storage. 
> 
> 
> 2 x 74gb raptors will cost you $400 here in Australia ..... so 
> thats $75 *more* for almost 400gb *less* storage that is *not* 
> redundant ! 
> 
> Linux software raid-5 performance is pretty good, my 4 x 400gb 
> sata's show 155mb/s reads with 'hdparm -t'. 
> 
> No brainer ! 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> 
> Brian. 
> 


Hi Brian, 

Thanks for your response. I didn't say it but i can't go more than 2 drives (no 
more space in the case) and i backup the entire "mail drive" on a LVM backup 
array of 1.2 TB (3 drives) that serves to backup a windows file server too 
(Backup Array is 3 drives). It's not a perfect solution but it cames like it is 
because the Linux server took more and more job over the years. The Windoze 
servers do file serving + AD and Terminal Server. They have both server grade 
hardware but this little CentOS 4.5 server running on cheap hardware does 
almost all the job! 

As for RAID 5, with the *poor* CPU i have (Athlon 2500+), i'd be curious how 
fast it could write with multiples "streams" (server supports 45 WS). Don't get 
me wrong, i'm not saying that what you said is not right nor this isn't a good 
idea! 

I'm waiting a budget to change the server but it seems that for now, i have to 
search a temporary solution that could provide the most speed for the money and 
taking into account i'm dealing with low end mainboard / cpu. 

The next server should be something like the Tyan Transport TA26 (though 
doesn't seem to have redundant PS) with something like an Adaptec 3085 and SAS 
15K Drives. 


Thanks again for your input! 

Guy Boisvert 

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Guy, 

how many drives can the server take ? and how many are there in it just now ? 

I'd even go as far as to say install the OS and the data on the 3 x 320gb sata 
drives and ditch the 80gb IDE. That is what I do and it is one of the strengths 
of software raid, the fact that you can mix and match raid types on the same 
physical disks. I'd go for a triple mirror for /boot and install the rest of 
the OS on the RAID-5 set or along with the data (grub can't boot of raid-5 as 
far as I'm aware). 


Alternatively if re-installing or copying your current OS onto new drives is 
not practical at this point I'd get 2 x 320g drives mirror them and also get 
that extra 1gb of RAM. The extra RAM could make more of a difference than 10k 
rpm drives. I dont think that you'll get anywhere near the performance you'd 
expect from a stripe compared to a mirror. As mentioned earlier, Raptors, IMO, 
are overrated and they are way hotter and noisier due to their higher spindle 
speed. 

How is the box performing ? what are you noticing when it is slow ? Wait IO ? 
Can you determine if it is IO bound or CPU bound ? 


Cheers, 

Brian. 


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