actually i dont think this one belongs
anywhere....this is a prejudice, this is not racist
but the same thing....

women/men apart from a few body parts are 
no different....lets just kill it, and thank 
the good man up above for the best woman programmer 
of all, our Mom's  

lets consider it moot, and move on :)

tw

-----Original Message-----
From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Women programmers


Not that this thread hasn't been amusing at times...but doesn't it (as
well 
as yesterday's 'programmers vs developers' thread really really belong
on 
cf-community? 

Phoeun Pha writes: 

> Agreed. 
> 
> However, we as men with built-in insecurities (a woman told me that!),
I
> have to say that if more women do start getting into programming, or
> outnumbering us, we'll have to create something new, just so we can
stay on
> top.  Maybe by calling them developers or something. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitko Gerensky-Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Women programmers 
> 
> 
> My 2 cents: 
> 
> Women can be as good programmers as men! Any other claim is
profiling... 
> 
> My wife in fact had MCSD before moving to management and she still
loves
> database programming. I've worked with marvelous women programmers and
a
> classmate of mine is working on her Ph.D. in C.Sc. in network security
> programming -- she can program in C++ the way I would never be able
to. 
> 
> At the same time, yes, there are many women in graphics design,
particularly
> moving from print design to web design. 
> 
> What is most important is to encourage girls to study computers so
that they
> have marketable skills. 
> 
> The world, and the work place, would be a better place when there is a
> better balance between men and women. Women can be particularly good
in
> collaboration, from which we men could greatly benefit and learn :-) 
> 
> Mitko 
> 
> "The world of humanity is possessed of two wings: the male and the
female.
> So long as these two wings are not equivalent in strength, the bird
will not
> fly. Until womankind reaches the same degree as man, until she enjoys
the
> same arena of activity, extraordinary attainment for humanity will not
be
> realized; humanity cannot wing its way to heights of real attainment.
When
> the two wings . . . become equivalent in strength, enjoying the same
> prerogatives, the flight of man will be exceedingly lofty and
> extraordinary."
> Baha'i Faith 
> 
> http://us.bahai.org/equality/wings.html 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Bonnie E. Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:31:34 -0400 
> 
>>> I think I asked about this a year or two ago, but are more women
getting
>>> into hardcore programming, or at least, developing (hehe)?
>>
>>{feminine} Yes! 
>>
>>> web design was dominated by guys (no stats, just almost sure it was
that
>>> way), and now I'm bumpin into all these women designers.
>>
>>Now you're saying design (if you mean graphics, I consider that
different
>>skills from hardcore programming).  What I've seen is most women who
are in
>>web work (hehe how's that for tackling the label?) are more in the
design
>>aspect of things or content or management.  I personally am more into
>>database, scripting, programming, architecture {insert preferred terms
for
>>coding, scripting, etc. here}.  I actually find it really annoying
when I
>>walk in new to a team and get the assumption that I'm there to make
the
>>application "look pretty" or design/develop the GUI. 
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Phoeun Pha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:39 AM
>>Subject: Women programmers 
>>
>>
>>A few years ago
>>I guess it was
>>> inevitable... they're always painting the room pink and shops better
>>clothes
>>> for you than you do!  :) 
>>>
>>> So will we see that trend in programming to? 
>>> 
>>
> 
> 

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