Thank you very much Don. I was very surprised as I couldn't expect such kindful message.
Don Dailey: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Hideki, > >It was not my intention to disrespect you. I think the word you are >looking for is "condescending" which is when you talk down to someone as >a child. > >If it came across this way I'm sorry. I tried to make it easy to >understand because it seems to me that English is not your first >language. I see that instead I embarrassed you and I certainly did >not mean to do that. My fault. I see. I know it was my misunderstanding or too-much-thought now. >The web page in question is NOT "Hall of Fame", I regret the use of >that word in my posts to the group and it doesn't fit what it does in >the least. > >Some of my C programs use variable names like this too, they would >confuse anyone reading my code but they are there due to some historical >accident, their use has gradually changed over time or even right >away, starting out as one thing then becoming another - or simply >because the name has some kind of internalized association in my own mind. > >I am going to change even the name of the html file to reflect the more >accurate meaning later today. Thank you very much, Don. As I wrote earlier, it, itself is an excellent idea and Xmas gift to all of us, I strongly believe. >The web page was mostly designed to track ALL the players on CGOS. >After about 30 days of inactivity you lose your place on the normal page >as it is intended to only show "active" players. I have even wanted >to look at historical ratings for my own bot and they are not there and >so this addresses that need. But I also thought it would be >interesting to use the (more accurate) bayeselo program. I don't >show programs that have only played a few games because their ratings >are almost meaningless and they make the page really big (and constantly >growing.) > >I got this idea because I was doing sql queries to get information and I >realized that the rest of the participants do not have that luxury. >I am upset because I put this up as a kind of gift and instead it has >upset people. Have you heard the expression, "no good deed goes >unpunished?" That is a little of how I feel about this exchange. It's my first look at and online/offline dictionaries help little nor there seems no corresponding saying in Japan but I guess I punished you? :( >- Don Eric Boesch: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thank you Eric for encouraging me. >For what it's worth, "Hall of Fame" can mean anything from the >Baseball Hall of Fame (serious business) to the Mullet Hall of Fame (a >total joke). To me this looks like a pretty clear misunderstanding. >Don and Hideki have both contributed usefully to the mailing list, and >it would be too bad if this incident spoiled that from either end. I'd like to say "don't worry" :). I won't stop posting to this list. Nothing will change. I still respect Don. I'm very glad to hear I've contributed but it cannot be compared to Don's. BTW, HoF of cgos cannot be a joke, in any sense. >I think most people who even know what CGOS is, probably know the >context in which it is used, so they're not going to take poor results >too seriously. Nobody would deny that applying static ratings to a >program that changes may not be representative, but if that is an >issue, then people can create new IDs for their 100% debugged bots so >that static ratings will give them all the credit they deserve. The >new bot would not get established immediately, but I doubt there are >that many people outside this mailing list who are even aware of the >CGOS all-time 9x9 rating list yet. As for any lower-rated versions of >the same bot, I think that as long as there exists a highly rated >version of a given program that has an established rating, people will >have enough sense to ignore lower-rated versions that may represent >experiments, buggy prototypes, and the like. I was afraid also that outsiders may evaluate the ranking at HoF too much by its name. Finally, I'd like to thank Don, Eric, Chris and other subscribers of this list and apologize to for my posting of such emotional and off-topic articles. -Hideki >Hideki Kato wrote: >> Chris, I consider to post my previous mail or not. Can you imagine >> my mind? I know it's so disrespective but I, still, respect Don. >> Yes, I was not angry, rather, very sad. >> >> I've posted because to, 1) to stop this discussion, 2) Don's last >> post was too disirespective (at least I though so) as, he never >> consider my questions seriously, that is, his answers were, say, not >> truely ones, rather like humoring children. The first sentense of his >> last post, "Don't worry Hideki" was too disrespective, wasn't it? >> I've worried very seriously, really. I wanted to just postpone the >> use of the name "HoF" until we confirm the overall ratings are >> correct enough to use the name. >> >> Don, please remove my bots, ggmc-xxx, from your HoF if possible. >> >> I'd like to apologize to all. >> >> -Hideki >> >> Chris Fant: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> On Dec 15, 2007 1:49 AM, Hideki Kato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Has "Hall of fame" with incorrect ratings any sense? Rather, it may >>>> wrongly leads pepole, isn't it? >>>> >>> No disrespect intended, but just to let you know... this is >>> incomprehensible. You may wish to rephrase the questions. >>> >>> >>>> I won't discuss farther as Don seems never change his mind with any >>>> discussion but I'd like to point out that Don should have many prior >>>> things to do than builiding such meaningless HoF. >>>> >>> This is disrespectful. If you don't like his HoF, ignore it. Also, >>> it is quite rare for someone to change their mind on a list like this. >>> Only hard facts have any chance of changing a mind. Many of Don's >>> messages deal with facts about his bot and many others deal with >>> opinions and theory. 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