On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Matthew Brett <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Yep, you're right, they're political restrictions, and "geographic
>> restrictions" was a euphemism. I'm a huge believer in open source, but
>> personally, these political restrictions don't bother me at all.
>> However, you and Stefan had already both chimed in saying they did
>> bother you, so I'm very happy to pick another hosting option with no
>> argument, which is what I think I said above. I generally loathe
>> political debate, and I think cython-dev is a wildly inappropriate
>> place for it.
>
> If we see a powerful country trying to exclude less powerful countries
> from what we believe to be valid discourse, then, to say and do
> nothing is an act of passive agreement that not all of us can accept.
>
> We state our principles, and we try to follow them; when we agree, we
> do not have to discuss them. The principles under which we operate
> are one of the great strengths of the open-source idea and the energy
> that we give to our projects.
I'm not sure which "we" you are referring to here, but you made your
point quite clearly and it was acknowledged. "Political restrictions"
and other non-technical issues are perfectly valid objections to bring
up, but belaboring the point, especially as someone who has never (as
far as I can tell) participated in the development process and hence
used the tools in question, doesn't help your case.
To be clear, every potential solution involves giving up some freedom.
Each site has terms of service agreements that are pages long, and
even hosting it ourselves isn't completely unencumbered (software
licenses agreements (yes, including the GPL), contracts with the ISP,
possible legal restrictions, etc.) You hopefully already know
this--you've chosen to use a gmail account to post this. Personally,
my top (but certainly not only) criteria are
1. Lack of Lock-in
2. Productivity
Everyone has different criteria and priorities, which is why I started
this conversation instead of just moving everything over and making an
announcement :).
-Robert
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