> Am 17.04.2018 um 19:18 schrieb William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>: > >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Graham Leggett <minf...@sharp.fm> wrote: >> >> The distributions have been doing this nigh on two decades - the stability >> of a given software baseline which will not suddenly break at 3am some >> arbitrary Sunday in the middle of the holidays is the very product they’re >> selling. This works because they ship a baseline, plus carefully curated >> fixes as required by their communities, trading off the needs of their >> communities and stability. > > So with respect to *our* communities... > >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Graham Leggett <minf...@sharp.fm> wrote: >>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 6:08 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote: >>> >>> No enhancement since 2011-12-19 has been presented for the collective >>> community's scrutiny. >> >> Again, I’m not following. >> >> The architecture of v2.4 has been very stable, the need for breaking changes >> has been largely non existent, and the focus since 2011 has been to get >> changes backported to v2.4 instead. >> >> To distill this down to raw numbers, there have been 1546 discrete backports >> (my simple grep of CHANGES) since 2011 - which has provided an enormous >> amount of enhancement for the collective community’s scrutiny. > > And the corresponding number of regressions and behavior changes. None > of these have enjoyed an "RC" or "beta", whatever one calls it, to > validate before adoption - other than our claim of "best httpd yet". > It has been an entirely new kitchen sink on every subversion release.
All my substantial functional additions had beta releases for months before being voted into the 2.4.x branch. With binary beta packages available for several platforms by several supporters. William, this painting our world a dark and miserable place is coming back every few months. It is a disservice to the people who contribute changes here. >> You seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill, I just don’t see the >> problem you’re trying to solve. > > You are welcome to attribute this concern any way you like, and be > satisfied with whatever yardstick you wish to measure it by. If you > interpret our users as desiring enhancement and not stability, then > those are the interests you should advocate. I'll leave this thread > alone for another week again to give them the opportunity to chime in. There are alternative ways to be creative and innovate than going through this PMC into a semi annual release. Releasing a module (plus some small patches) on github opens ways for collaboration with people who like Apache and new stuff. Distros like Debian unstable and Fedora pick up stuff from there. PPAs for apt are made available. Steffen offers Windows builts. The release cycle is hours, to the benefit of all interested. Be it a blocking bug fixed or a nice feature implemented. These are mostly people who do it for fun. Some even run large server clusters, so a „hobbyist“ label does not apply. It‘s simply fun. It‘s how I think FOSS is supposed to work and has worked best in the past. I plan to continue doing it. If that stuff makes it all back into the Apache svn is not that relevant to me. Because it‘s the least rewarding and fun part. (I am just talking about my feelings here, YMMV.
