On 26 May 2014 10:37, Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote: > Hello Andrea, *, > > > From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] > > > OK, so you mean: not only mailing list (that are easy to setup, for > > example a mailing list in German dedicated to events), but > > also ways to > > build a community. Here there's almost nothing we can do, say, > > "top-bottom"; this must grow from local events. > > > [...] > > > Local activities do not need coordination or approval. When I > > speak (in > > Italian) about OpenOffice at some nearby event, I don't ask > > for approval > > on the project lists and I simply clarify, at the event, that I'm not > > officially speaking on behalf of the project. The same holds > > for you and > > anyone else. We surely doesn't want to control communication > > at this level. > > That is clear, but that 's not exactly what I mean. > > Yes, a local community must grow themselves, but they need structures > within the > overall international project. > > ( I speak in the following about German, but his statement applies to all > countries / languages) > > First: > ------ > There is a difference between the German-speaking community [1] and the > German > community [2] and the German community does not have a formal structure, > such as > because the website de.openoffice.org is not the website of the German > community > but only the German translation of the international website. > What is missing is the function as a part of the structure of the project. > There, > for example, missing official local representatives (in OOo these were the > co-leads). > > [1] > these are people speak German, but do not work locally (for example > developers) > [2] > these are people who work mainly locally > > > In the simplest case could be members of the AOO PMC additionally assume > this > function, but that will not work well because "local representative" is a > full-time job. A good developer does not have the time for it. > I think we need to ask ourselves these questions of local structures and > _long-term_ need to create such structures. > > Second: > ------- > I join (mutatis mutandis) to the what Alexandro says: LibreOffice is way > ahead of > us in these things and they are it's a question of organization, manpower > and > money. > > In my work for OOo I know this is manpower important than money, but it > depends on > the right combination of money and manpower, both in software development > as well > as the local marketing work. > > > They evolved with a totally different structure. This looks > > very bad and > > must be fixed. The most reasonable way to me seems that we > > will have a > > "common" part (English original, replicate for other languages; this > > includes the layout) and a "specific" part where materials in native > > language will be shown, specific to each language (documentation in > > native language, announces about "local" events... OK there's a mixup > > between languages and countries but you get the idea). > > That's clear, but please look practice. > > It is to say, a difference that _should be_ a English original there or it > _must > be_ a English original there. > In the worst case, the requirement may, after an English original cause, > the > volunteers do without your help. > > Why? > Look at me, I am a professional expert on OpenOffice and it is easy for me > a > ten-page article (in German) to write about the Extension Manager. The same > article, however, in English is very difficult for me. > > > > Nothing prevents you from linking to a third party forum, > > especially if > > we don't have > > an official resource. > > OK. > > > (Maybe we'll want to check trademarks > > usage there, > > but this is another issue). > > Yes, clear. > > > We don't have that budget available now. We do have a budget for > > OpenOffice events, but it is a one-time budget from which I expect we > > may spend a few thousands Euros/dollars per year. But in the > > next weeks > > we will probably see changes about targeted donations (now > > not used at > > Apache): this may allow to start dedicated fundraising > > campaigns if we > > find it useful to do so. > > I think there is in practice a major problem, namely the donors want to > donate > directly to work on Open Office and not for Apache in general. > > It might be helpful for us if we would understand this concern for donors > and for > opportunities would open up. > > I am, for example, believe that we could get enough donations for Open > Office in > Germany to fund our local work and that could be used for general purposes > of > Apache at the same time still have money left over. But we need clear > agreements > for it, because of course the donors want their donation is tax > deductible, and > that's a question of local law. >
We need to be very careful here. I dont know the german laws, but in many countries a donation is only tax deductible if given to a non-profit foundation (like apache), as soon as the money is "earmarked" "targeted" they are not considered given to the foundation and therefore not deductible. The background for it is very clear, the tax offices dont want companies to start a project within a non-profit foundation, and thereby get immediate tax release (donation is released same year as given). If a company does development it is considered an invested and the tax release comes over typically 3-5 years. Rgds jan I. > Greetings, > Jörg > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
