> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 18:40
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer
> 
> I have finished my non-software project, so building AOO is now at the
> top of my project list.
> 
> I am working through the instructions, keeping a log of issues and
> difficulties I encounter.
> 
> One thought to consider: Is is possible that difficulty building AOO in
> one of the commonest desktop environments, 64-bit MS-Windows, is one of
> the reasons for difficulty attracting developers?

[orcmid] 
I share your suspicion, but I have no hard data other than my own reaction.

Now that there are the Visual Studio Community Editions, it is difficult to 
justify all of the contortions there are between Cygwin's "file system" and the 
native system that the cl.exe and related tools are going to be depended on 
from Cygwin.

I also note, but have been drawn away from it for other duties, that Windows 
batch scripts will run just fine under Cygwin and those might be a better way 
to bridge even from CygWin to the Microsoft tools and libraries.  (I worked 
this out with MSYS2 and it seems to work just fine with CygWin too.)  Those 
batch scripts can then use the developer setups for paths and whatnot and not 
mess with the Windows registry.  Which is to say, even if CygWin is used for 
the overall build process, there are better ways to switch back and forth 
between the Windows tools and the CygWin utilities used.
> 
> More and more developers are unfamiliar with Bash and similar shells.
> The requirement to use Cygwin is not going to stop me because I've been
> using UNIX-like shells for over 30 years, but I would much prefer to use
> an IDE.
> 
> Patricia
> 
> On 11/7/2015 9:32 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > Patricia,
> >
> > I am in constant despair of what it takes to use Windows to build a
> > Windows install of AOO, if only to confirm the build that was used in
> > a release.
> >
> > If you have succeeded, can you share your build parameters and
> > anything you learned about the instructions with regard to
> > dependencies that must be satisfied for the build to work?
> >
> > Since the Windows buildbot is not even running any longer, it is
> > apparently necessary to endure this gauntlet to even be able to test
> > anything.
> >
> > My beginners-mind is failing me on this one.
> >
> > - Dennis (aka orc...@apache.org)
> >
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Shanahan
> >> [mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 03:11 To:
> >> dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Thinking of joining
> >> OpenOffice as a developer
> >>
> >> On 11/2/2015 2:33 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan
> >>> <p...@acm.org>
> >> wrote: ...
> >>>> "Install cygwin, 32bit version"
> >>>>
> >>>> Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit
> >>>> Cygwin already running on my 16 GB memory system.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build,
> >>> but
> >> as I
> >>> discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.
> >>>
> >>> How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise
> >>> Patricia? Do
> >> you
> >>> need any help or development ideas?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am still working through the instructions for getting ready to
> >> build - I have some other non-software projects that will take a
> >> lot of my time this week.
> >>
> >> By "Win64" do you mean any 64-bit MS-Windows system? If so, that is
> >> a very serious issue. I do development on a 64-bit Windows 8.1
> >> system. Has anyone successfully built on that OS?
> >>
> >> I am experimenting with installing Linux on other computers, but
> >> none of them has the compute power, memory, or monitor size for
> >> serious development.
> >>
> >>
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