Am 08.11.21 um 20:13 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
Hello Marcus,

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From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2021 5:57 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

Am 08.11.21 um 07:33 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

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From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2021 7:48 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

when you want to talk about this with names then I invite you
to discuss
this via private@.

with pleasure, but not on private@, but by PM.

sorry but please write to private@, so that we *all* can have
the same
information and can discuss it.

I'm afraid, Marcus, we have a problem of understanding what "all" means. For 
me, this is the community and not a few privileged people who are in PMC.

I don't know in which circle you see a PMC. It's not a club of old men or a secret organization like Illuminati or any other voodoo. Please see the mail from Dave Fisher he posted on Nov, 07th.

Why I no longer want to write to private@, namely because my experiences with 
requests to private@ are negative, I told you by PM.

For me, the greatest possible openness has always been a 'trademark' of the 
ASF, but with AOO I experience that the PMC tries to build up more insider 
knowledge than is necessary. Knowledge that should actually be known and 
discussed within the entire community.

Sorry I don't know what you mean with "inside knowledge". Some tasks have to be handled by the PMC only (e.g., people issues, binding release voting, trademark) . This is the rule that comes from the ASF itself.

So please excuse me, but I am not interested in secret talks with the PMC.

And I've no interest to talk to you in private about topic(s) that affects actually more people.

Or what do you expect from me? We both talk and I take it further to someone else, then further and further? I hope that this is not the thing you have in mind.

Finally:
When you have a topic to discuss that affects the PMC, then you have to talk with the PMC.

Marcus


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