wholeheartedly agree with you, DJ. was sympathetic to the harassment Ian
mentioned, was disappointed with what I felt was a dismissive tone taken to
racism concerns. I get Ian's comment regarding racist domains was just meant as
a joke, however when Russel sent his email regarding how he felt about it I
felt it was right to respond to state that I didn't find the joke particularly
funny. I wasnt so much offended by it, as I realized it was a joke and not
actually racism, just didnt find it amusing and wanted to clarify that I am
against racism. Ian's follow up was I felt, disappointing. If I am thrown from
this list for stating my opinion and disagreeing with Ian, then so be it.
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Amireh
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is
perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic version.
It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And I sympathize
with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a member of "the
next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was disappointed to see this
"anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next generation is not pro or
anti woke but throwing around accusations of "virtue signalling" is typical alt
right rhetoric and something I was disappointed to see from someone
representing a project that I hold in high regards.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote:
Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. I'm
not seeking your approval.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee
<craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote:
Ian,
I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it funny,
that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state my
opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Clarke
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly
one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place.
I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like
it, I suggest you touch grass.
I'm going to start blocking you idiots.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee
<craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote:
I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or
not, it wasn't funny.
but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get
involved in the freenet dispute.
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Glenn
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM
Subject: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Mr. Ian Clarke,
when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain,
"freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision
to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted
on "freenetproject.org", you said the following:
> Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken
anyway.
Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did
not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of
this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway.
Proof:
https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html
As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism
is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will
NEVER be.
And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke:
Millions of people died due to racism.
You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about
that.
Nobody is.
And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you
have
produced on this list in the previous days.
Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request
you to:
* immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and
* leave its board and
* transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team
and
* transfer ownership of all other related accounts and
* cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects.
Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into
positions
where power is wielded.
As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still
constructed of active members of the community,
and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere
stated,
I join those who request leadership is transferred to the
leading developer.
To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide.
Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous
lead
developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two.
Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state
their support. We must stand united against racism.
- Russell Glenn
--
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenet.org
--
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenet.org
