Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the contemporary discussion using the terms you are bandying about. Heres an encyclopedia article that may enlighten you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory I believe the first paragraph fits what you are saying to a T, claiming the downfall of western civilization and accusing your opponents of "neomarxism" : "The term "*Cultural Marxism*" refers to a far-right <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right> antisemitic <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic> conspiracy theory <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory> which claims that Western Marxism <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism> is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture>. The conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School> as being responsible for modern progressive <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_politics> movements, identity politics <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>, and political correctness <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness>, claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion> of Western society via a planned culture war <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war> that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s."
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: > I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if you > don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. > > I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government or > private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. > > Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with > fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of > corruption, far more dangerous. > > Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it would > help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of corporations >> and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed to be >> spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and shareholders "know >> what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a "postmodern >> neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political buzzwords being >> thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition to the corporate >> takeover of speech and thought. >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: >> >>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in the >>> US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>> >>> Here is an excellent book >>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>> about >>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>> think! >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> >>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>> >>>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of >>>> a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a >>>> child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>>> >>>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I >>>> think they each bring a critical perspective. >>>> >>>> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >>>> >>>> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >>>> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done >>>> incredible damage. >>>> >>>> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me on >>>> that. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your support on the name change :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh <cactus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is >>>>> perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic >>>>> version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. >>>>> And >>>>> I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a >>>>> member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was >>>>> disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The >>>>> next >>>>> generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of >>>>> "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was >>>>> disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in >>>>> high >>>>> regards. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. >>>>>> I'm not seeking your approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < >>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it >>>>>>> funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to >>>>>>> state my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at >>>>>>> that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> >>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly >>>>>>> one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't >>>>>>> like it, I suggest you touch grass. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm going to start blocking you idiots. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < >>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or >>>>>>>> not, it wasn't funny. >>>>>>>> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to >>>>>>>> get involved in the freenet dispute. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> *From:* Russell Glenn <rusgl...@swismail.com> >>>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mr. Ian Clarke, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >>>>>>>> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >>>>>>>> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >>>>>>>> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken >>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did >>>>>>>> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of >>>>>>>> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. >>>>>>>> Proof: >>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism >>>>>>>> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will >>>>>>>> NEVER be. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: >>>>>>>> Millions of people died due to racism. >>>>>>>> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about >>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>> Nobody is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> produced on this list in the previous days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request >>>>>>>> you to: >>>>>>>> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and >>>>>>>> * leave its board and >>>>>>>> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and >>>>>>>> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into >>>>>>>> positions >>>>>>>> where power is wielded. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still >>>>>>>> constructed of active members of the community, >>>>>>>> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere >>>>>>>> stated, >>>>>>>> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the >>>>>>>> leading developer. >>>>>>>> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous >>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state >>>>>>>> their support. We must stand united against racism. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Russell Glenn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ian Clarke >>>>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ian Clarke >>>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ian Clarke >>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>> Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >>> >> > > -- > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> >
