EVER....my bad ----- Original Message ----- From: DANNY DOUGLAS To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group, why I am not seeing ANY of them on the spot network? I would gladly give some of them a listen, if they showed up there, but they are not. I have only recently downloaded Multipsk, though am very experienced with some of the modes, thru working with other single and multi mode programs such as MIXW, and have used PSK31-63, Packet, SSTV, HELL,THROB, MFSK, DOMINO, RTTY. I have three different spot sources playing thru SpotCollector, and seldom, if ever, see anything beyond PSK or RTTY, out of all the digital modes. So guys - if you are on, or copying someone, please use spots to so indicate. By the way, I sometimes see the group emials, but usually way too late to do anything about them. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 ----- Original Message ----- From: kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 ***"If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways"*** 40 to 50 times during a QSO!!..WOW....... Damn..I think If it occured that many times during 1 QSO..I would give up.. Dont ya think???? Look guys...Its MUST me something I'm doing wrong or my equipment..I mean...I have only been using this mode from the time it came out... and on no less than 3 or 4 diff. radios, bands and puters.. With no less than 10-15 other users. I have ONLY been on HF digi for JUST a few days ...Got my ticket from that "Cracker Jack Box" Its me, its not really happining.. I mean.. the hundreds of other users surely would have found this problem....Right?? Just let it go...I have. End of thread. 73 de Trip - KT4WO ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 Trip, > Its not a unique problem. KT4WO Well it does seem to be unique problem because we haven't heard from anyone else with major sync issues (yet). Your comments will hopefully, bring them out of the woodwork. In my experience and in the experience of others, ALE-400 sync issues happen occasionally and are almost always associated with weak signals. As the band fades, the mode dips below it's useful threshold and loses sync. At that point, it's time to quit or switch bands. Trying to continue after that results in a high number of collisions / sync issues because signals are just too weak. If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways. That certainly seems like a unique situation, but without knowing the circumstances at the time, it's hard to tell what's really going on. We would certainly appreciate a more detailed description of the band conditions when the mode lost sync that excessive number of times. For example; was there heavy QSB, QRM, QRN? Does it ever happen on a clear channel? Does it happen on one band more than others? Does it happen on one PC more than another. You're welcome to sked with me anytime Trip. I'm always on in the evenings starting around 2300z. I run a 5 element 20 meter mono-band Yagi @ 60ft. I'm sure we could work providing the propagation Gods cooperate. Thanks, Tony -K2MO > Its not a unique problem. > KT4WO > > > On 8/31/09, Tony <d...@optonline.net> wrote: >> Trip, >> >> Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find out what >> it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help you. >> >> Tony -K2MO >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." <kt4w...@gmail.com> >> To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >> >> >>> w4pgh >>> k3gau >>> n4wi >>> wa9hcz >>> ni9y >>> n9fdf >>> k9vu >>> wb8rol >>> ai4cm >>> >>> Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) >>> Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, some....alot >>> more(k3gau,w4pgh) >>> >>> No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost >>> 100 bucks on...lol >>> >>> Again....I love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other >>> digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY digi >>> software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... >>> Im cheap!!...LOL.... >>> >>> If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could >>> re-sync. One gud static crash and it can lose sync. >>> >>> Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried >>> everything..."been there, done that" kinda >>> thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now use Olivia or >>> DominoEX....most of the time(75%) it works fine... but that 25% was >>> just too much... and I didnt keep records..it may not be 25%..but it >>> was enuff to frustrate(sp?) us.... >>> >>> I think if that ONE issue was solved..ALE/FAE400 would be the BEST >>> error free soundcard mode out there!! >>> >>> KT4WO >>> >>> >>> On 8/30/09, Tony <d...@optonline.net> wrote: >>>> Thomas, >>>> >>>>> W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months >>>> >>>> Just a thought here... >>>> >>>> Your station setup sounds ok, but could it be that W4PGH has a VOX delay >>>> on >>>> or some other issue? Have you worked anyone else on ALE-400? >>>> >>>> Tony -K2MO >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." <kt4w...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >>>> >>>> >>>>>I have also used ALE/FAE400 since it was developed ... and no VOX.... >>>>> 2.4 pent 4 with gig of ram...or 1 gig pent3 with 512 ram or 800mhz >>>>> pent 3 with 512 or 1.5 gig ATOM w/1gig ram.....4 diff. homebrew >>>>> interfaces some with xformers..some not....Icom IC-718 or Kenwood >>>>> TS-50 or Kenwood TS450SAT or Kenwood TS-180S....Half-Wave >>>>> dipoles...160-80-40-30...1/4wave Vert on 30.... >>>>> >>>>> Over 6,000 digital(HF) QSO's logged in the last 14 years... from the >>>>> old HAL RTTY interface to the new soundcard modes... >>>>> >>>>> Im not a NCPNG that just got on HF/DigiModes last year...LOL... I have >>>>> been on some type of "digi mode" for the last 18 years. >>>>> >>>>> What I see as a "major" problem.. you may not...thats cool... but >>>>> W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months on >>>>> 80 and 160.....he is 40 miles from me. >>>>> The sync issue..is just that. Its not my radio, interface, antenna, >>>>> computer...or me..LOL >>>>> >>>>> Its great ya'll are not having the "issue" too offten. But ...When >>>>> hams try it out for the first time and it loses sync a few >>>>> times...they will just switch modes and not look back. >>>>> >>>>> KT4WO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/30/09, Sholto Fisher <sho...@probikekit.com> wrote: >>>>>> Trip, >>>>>> >>>>>> You're not by any chance using a VOX interface (like the Signalink) >>>>>> with >>>>>> the delay button pressed in are you? That would really screw up the >>>>>> timing of FAE400. >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't experienced the collision problem other than when sigs are >>>>>> really buried in noise. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also used FAE400 since it was developed and am sure I would have >>>>>> noticed a major issue like this from the outset. >>>>>> >>>>>> One other thing to consider: What speed of PC are you running it on? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Sholto >>>>>> K7TMG >>>>>> >>>>>> Thomas Carswell Jr. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue >>>>>>> is not just a >>>>>>> one time thing... and not just on QRP. >>>>>>> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major >>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) >>>>>>> ..then tell me its not major. >>>>>>> I have had 100+ QSO's in this mode....with 10-12 diff. ops. >>>>>>> BTW..the new "PSK-Packet" has the same problem. >>>>>>> KT4WO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/30/09, John Bradley <jbrad...@sasktel. net >>>>>>> <mailto:jbradley%40sasktel.net>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > "> I have brought this up to Patrick a few times....I asked for a >>>>>>> >> "slottime" or some random timer... >>>>>>> >> I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE with >>>>>>> ALE400. >>>>>>> >> Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become "mainstream" >>>>>>> >> I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. >>>>>>> >> So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have better >>>>>>> luck >>>>>>> > getting >>>>>>> >> him to address this.??!!??! !?? >>>>>>> >> Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave "sees" this is a >>>>>>> problem, >>>>>>> >> Patrick >>>>>>> >> will fix it??? >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at >>>>>> http://www.obriensweb.com/sked >>>>>> >>>>>> Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or >>>>>> Multipsk >>>>>> Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
