Trip, >>> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue >>> is not just a >>> one time thing... and not just on QRP. >>> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major issue. >>> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) >>> ..then tell me its not major.
I think most would interpret "when you have it occur 40-50 times with 20 over signal" as the number of out-of-sync collisions that occurred during just one of your ALE-400 contacts and not the number of times overall. Understand if you'd rather not discuss it further. Hope you're able to get it working; let us know what you find. Tony -K2MO ----- Original Message ----- From: <kt4w...@gmail.com> To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 > ***"If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem > that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways"*** > > 40 to 50 times during a QSO!!..WOW....... Damn..I think If it occured that > many times during 1 QSO..I would give up.. > Dont ya think???? > > Look guys...Its MUST me something I'm doing wrong or my equipment..I mean...I > have only been using this mode > from the time it came out... and on no less than 3 or 4 diff. radios, bands > and puters.. > With no less than 10-15 other users. > > I have ONLY been on HF digi for JUST a few days ...Got my ticket from that > "Cracker Jack Box" > Its me, its not really happining.. > > I mean.. the hundreds of other users surely would have found this > problem....Right?? > > Just let it go...I have. > > End of thread. > > 73 de Trip - KT4WO > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 > > > > > > Trip, > > > Its not a unique problem. KT4WO > > Well it does seem to be unique problem because we haven't heard from anyone > else with major sync issues (yet). Your comments will hopefully, bring them > out of the woodwork. In my experience and in the experience of others, > ALE-400 sync issues happen occasionally and are almost always associated with > weak signals. > > As the band fades, the mode dips below it's useful threshold and loses sync. > At that point, it's time to quit or switch bands. Trying to continue after > that results in a high number of collisions / sync issues because signals are > just too weak. > > If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem that > happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways. That > certainly seems like a unique situation, but without knowing the > circumstances at the time, it's hard to tell what's really going on. > > We would certainly appreciate a more detailed description of the band > conditions when the mode lost sync that excessive number of times. For > example; was there heavy QSB, QRM, QRN? Does it ever happen on a clear > channel? Does it happen on one band more than others? Does it happen on one > PC more than another. > > You're welcome to sked with me anytime Trip. I'm always on in the evenings > starting around 2300z. I run a 5 element 20 meter mono-band Yagi @ 60ft. I'm > sure we could work providing the propagation Gods cooperate. > > Thanks, > > Tony -K2MO > > > > > > > Its not a unique problem. > > KT4WO > > > > > > On 8/31/09, Tony <d...@optonline.net> wrote: > >> Trip, > >> > >> Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find out what > >> it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help you. > >> > >> Tony -K2MO > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." <kt4w...@gmail.com> > >> To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM > >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 > >> > >> > >>> w4pgh > >>> k3gau > >>> n4wi > >>> wa9hcz > >>> ni9y > >>> n9fdf > >>> k9vu > >>> wb8rol > >>> ai4cm > >>> > >>> Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) > >>> Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, some....alot > >>> more(k3gau,w4pgh) > >>> > >>> No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost > >>> 100 bucks on...lol > >>> > >>> Again....I love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other > >>> digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY digi > >>> software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... > >>> Im cheap!!...LOL.... > >>> > >>> If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could > >>> re-sync. One gud static crash and it can lose sync. > >>> > >>> Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried > >>> everything..."been there, done that" kinda > >>> thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now use Olivia or > >>> DominoEX....most of the time(75%) it works fine... but that 25% was > >>> just too much... and I didnt keep records..it may not be 25%..but it > >>> was enuff to frustrate(sp?) us.... > >>> > >>> I think if that ONE issue was solved..ALE/FAE400 would be the BEST > >>> error free soundcard mode out there!! > >>> > >>> KT4WO > >>> > >>> > >>> On 8/30/09, Tony <d...@optonline.net> wrote: > >>>> Thomas, > >>>> > >>>>> W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months > >>>> > >>>> Just a thought here... > >>>> > >>>> Your station setup sounds ok, but could it be that W4PGH has a VOX delay > >>>> on > >>>> or some other issue? Have you worked anyone else on ALE-400? > >>>> > >>>> Tony -K2MO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." <kt4w...@gmail.com> > >>>> To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> > >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:54 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I have also used ALE/FAE400 since it was developed ... and no VOX.... > >>>>> 2.4 pent 4 with gig of ram...or 1 gig pent3 with 512 ram or 800mhz > >>>>> pent 3 with 512 or 1.5 gig ATOM w/1gig ram.....4 diff. homebrew > >>>>> interfaces some with xformers..some not....Icom IC-718 or Kenwood > >>>>> TS-50 or Kenwood TS450SAT or Kenwood TS-180S....Half-Wave > >>>>> dipoles...160-80-40-30...1/4wave Vert on 30.... > >>>>> > >>>>> Over 6,000 digital(HF) QSO's logged in the last 14 years... from the > >>>>> old HAL RTTY interface to the new soundcard modes... > >>>>> > >>>>> Im not a NCPNG that just got on HF/DigiModes last year...LOL... I have > >>>>> been on some type of "digi mode" for the last 18 years. > >>>>> > >>>>> What I see as a "major" problem.. you may not...thats cool... but > >>>>> W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months on > >>>>> 80 and 160.....he is 40 miles from me. > >>>>> The sync issue..is just that. Its not my radio, interface, antenna, > >>>>> computer...or me..LOL > >>>>> > >>>>> Its great ya'll are not having the "issue" too offten. But ...When > >>>>> hams try it out for the first time and it loses sync a few > >>>>> times...they will just switch modes and not look back. > >>>>> > >>>>> KT4WO > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 8/30/09, Sholto Fisher <sho...@probikekit.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Trip, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You're not by any chance using a VOX interface (like the Signalink) > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> the delay button pressed in are you? That would really screw up the > >>>>>> timing of FAE400. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I haven't experienced the collision problem other than when sigs are > >>>>>> really buried in noise. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have also used FAE400 since it was developed and am sure I would > have > >>>>>> noticed a major issue like this from the outset. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One other thing to consider: What speed of PC are you running it on? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 73 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sholto > >>>>>> K7TMG > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thomas Carswell Jr. wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync > issue > >>>>>>> is not just a > >>>>>>> one time thing... and not just on QRP. > >>>>>>> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major > >>>>>>> issue. > >>>>>>> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) > >>>>>>> ..then tell me its not major. > >>>>>>> I have had 100+ QSO's in this mode....with 10-12 diff. ops. > >>>>>>> BTW..the new "PSK-Packet" has the same problem. > >>>>>>> KT4WO > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 8/30/09, John Bradley <jbrad...@sasktel. net > >>>>>>> <mailto:jbradley%40sasktel.net>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > "> I have brought this up to Patrick a few times....I asked for a > >>>>>>> >> "slottime" or some random timer... > >>>>>>> >> I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE with > >>>>>>> ALE400. > >>>>>>> >> Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become "mainstream" > >>>>>>> >> I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. > >>>>>>> >> So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have better > >>>>>>> luck > >>>>>>> > getting > >>>>>>> >> him to address this.??!!??! !?? > >>>>>>> >> Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave "sees" this is a > >>>>>>> problem, > >>>>>>> >> Patrick > >>>>>>> >> will fix it??? > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at > >>>>>> http://www.obriensweb.com/sked > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or > >>>>>> Multipsk > >>>>>> Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >
