Dave,
Here is a suggestion that might help those of us who are new: a chart or
listing that attempts to show who is involved in the documentation team
and what they are doing. It might be hard to ensure that everyone is
included but perhaps it could start with the people who have been
actively participating in the mailing list. There is little hierarchy
but some people have higher levels of formal responsibility and it would
be good to know who they are. If possible, it would be interesting to
know people's geographical locations as well.
A chart or listing for the overall LibreOffice structure would also be
helpful. It need not be very detailed but could give a sense of how it
is organized and maybe who some of the main players are.
It should be possible to produce these without significant effort. Or
better still, they already exist and just need to be linked to.
Cheers,
Cathy
On 7/29/2017 4:06 AM, Dave wrote:
On the (US English) download page, inside the box for the chosen version
it reads:
<Q>
LibreOffice 5.4.0 release notes
Supplementary Downloads:
Help for offline use: English (US) (Torrent, Info)
need another language?
</Q>
The installer file for the off-line/local help facility, is offered as
"Supplementary" (additional) to the main installation file, because it
is a convenience option, not an essential requirement to use the
software. If the off-line help is not installed the software
automatically attempts to provide the on-line equivalent in the user's
web browser. If you have a suggestion for the "simple fix" rewording to
convey this in a few words, we can put it forward to the website team.
"Few words", because everything has to be translated into many
(https://www.libreoffice.org/community/nlc/) languages, by our
(overworked) translation volunteers.
Oliver was not suggesting the wiki is not a good source of information.
The wiki content has been built up over a number of years and in some
areas it would benefit from a bit of housekeeping. As with all things in
open source software, there is always much more work to be done than
there are hands to do it.
You seem to be looking for some kind of single reference source that
will inform people about everything within the complex structure of this
fairly large project. Can you give some indication as to what level of
detail and what audience(s) such a source should cater for. Maybe
something suitable could be drafted and put forward as an overview for
the "Get Involved" page:
https://www.libreoffice.org/community/get-involved/
You might have misinterpreted Sophie's post. Pootle is not exclusively
related to the online version of the software, it is a
tool/facility/service used by the translators for many aspects of the
software.
On 29.07.2017 02:14, Cathy Crumbley wrote:
Thanks for your input. These is much to learn!
I am referring to the LibreOffice download page. Why? Because it sounds
like I am not the only one who is unaware that we need to download a
separate file for the Help files. It should be a relatively simple fix
to just re-word what is on that page so that people understand. It is
puzzling that this has not been done since people are aware of the problem.
I can see what is on the wiki. However, Olivier said "But it requires
permanent reordering and addition/deletion/update of hundreds of pages,
permanently." I was trying to understand if he was saying that it is not
a great source of information. In any case, it sounds like it is the
only place to get an overview of LibreOffice (although it is still
challenging to do so).
From your description of Pootle, I was able to learn that an online
version of LibreOffice is in the works. I don't really understand the
rest of it, but at least I now know that Pootle is related to that project.
On 7/28/2017 4:41 AM, Sophie wrote:
Hi Cathy,
Le 27/07/2017 à 21:55, Cathy Crumbley a écrit :
Hi Olivier,
Thanks again for the responses.
If this has been a problem for a while, I am puzzled about why it has
not been fixed. Are you aware of a reason why the download page cannot
be re-worded now?
It depends on which download page you're talking about. The download
page on the main website is reworked by infrastructure, design and
marketing project, together with the donate page. It's currently being
improved before being translated. For the download page of the
documentation project, the page is quite new, and maybe no volunteer had
time to work on it for the moment.
To be clear, what are you saying is the best source of information for
people who are new to this and want to learn about the overall
LibreOffice project? Are you saying that the wiki is not useful because
so much work needs to be done on it?
On the wiki, you'll see the different sub-projects of the LibreOffice
overall project, mainly: development, QA (quality assurance), UX/Design
(user experience), l10n (localization), documentation, infrastructure,
marketing, certification and NLPs (native language projects). All those
sub projects interact together to finally deliver LibreOffice the
product. You'll find also information about the Document Liberation
Project (DLP) which is another project under TDF umbrealla.
As long as I am asking questions, here is one more: What is the Pootle
server?
Pootle is an instance used by the l10n team to localize LibreOffice UI
and Help, part of the website, LibreOffice On Line currently.
Don't hesitate to ask any question you have :)
Cheers
Sophie
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