Hello Martin,

2009/3/15 Martin P. Hellwig <[email protected]>:
> This is really good news.
> One of the things that perhaps will help is starting organizing a bit
> earlier.

We were earlier this year, if we start at the same sort of time for
next year's EP (say December) we should golive earlier as we'll be
slicker after this year's groundwork.

> I think not longer then one month after this years so we still have
> freshly in our memory what worked and what not.

I think that after this year's, you want to know about organising
conferences for a few months!

> This also gives us the
> opportunity to spam a lot sooner but still stay relative.
>
> I think we can conclude that the extra early bird works very well, what we
> could consider is starting it earlier, but stopping it earlier too.
> With the lessons learned till now and what comes in the future it might be
> handy to create a sort of procedure handbook. I am more then happy to make a
> first draft.

We already have quite a bit on various wikis: that would make a good
starting point.

> For me I already got some things I want to do for next years EP:
> - Subscribing to all python mailing list that are (vaguely) related to the
> EU with the publicity@ account.
> - Reviewing the publicity mail templates and make them a bit more future
> proof.
>
> Mailing lists are only getting to a small percentage of python users who may
> be interested to come.
> But they are convenient and cheap! I think that any other ways of getting
> more 'forced' publicity (that is forced we need to do initiate it) will be
> costing a significant amount of money with probably limited effect.
>
> However once we have a good turn up we might think about 'loyalty' bonuses,
> like a voucher that will get them rebate for their next EP conference. Also
> 'recruiting' local publicity managers at the conference might be a good idea
> (I volunteer) since till now we have only a limited number of people
> handling publicity. Key people would be the ones that work at a large python
> shop, universities and write articles for relevant magazines,

We've just gained a podcast (linuxoutlaws) podcasts may be the easiest
way to reach large numbers.

> but at this
> stage I have to say anybody will do :-)
>
> I am afraid that any other method of getting more publicity will cost money
> and I am not sure that when there is any money left we should spend it on
> publicity.

Agreed. In my experience paid publicity doesn't work. The best is word-of-mouth.

> I would rather see that we get 'high profile' python developers
> to a talk, perhaps by luring them with paid expenses and a reasonable fee.
>
> I think that the main problem is that we are not reaching the beginning
> python developer or the ones that are just interested in python like
> programming, my water say that this could be a potential huge audience.

Well, we've only really been using Python lists. Thinks like the
podcasts will help reach a wider audience.

I did try and reach local schools for last year's PyCon UK, it didn't
really work. Maybe we should try harder this year.

> This
> is a sort of chicken-egg problem, we can't reach them because they don't
> know much about Python and the reason they don't know much about Python
> because they are not going to conferences where it is mentioned :-) So in
> short we need to get more Eurpeans into Python and make them look at
> resources where we can contact them (newsgroups), this will automatically
> result in more public showing up at these kind of conferences.
>
> I hope that other people have better ideas then me, otherwise we are doomed
> ;-)
>
> Martin
>
> John Pinner wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I closed Extra Early Bird this morning, at this point we had 142
>> delegates registered.
>>
>> Since then we have had one more registration, at the 'standard' early bird
>> rate.
>> Which makes a total of 143 delegates registered, over three months out
>> from the conference, so we are guaranteed a good attendance which
>> should help getting sponsorship. Well done everybody!
>>
>> Self-proclaimed delegate experience is:
>>
>> Novice       :  10 ( 6.99%)
>> Basic        :  26 (18.18%)
>> Experienced  :  95 (66.43%)
>> Guru         :  12 ( 8.39%)
>>
>> Registrations by country are:
>>
>>    Austria                 :   1
>>    Belgium                 :   2
>>    Finland                 :   2
>>    France                  :   2
>>    Germany                 :  20
>>    Hungary                 :   1
>>    Italy                   :   1
>>    Lithuania               :   3
>>    Netherlands             :   6
>>    Norway                  :   5
>>    Poland                  :   3
>>    Romania                 :   1
>>    Spain                   :   2
>>    Sweden                  :   5
>>    Ukraine                 :   2
>>    United Kingdom          :  85
>>    United States           :   2
>>
>> I think that we can conclude that our publicity is pretty good (thanks
>> to Martin Hellwig!)  but we need to improve it in Europe. Suggestions
>> please.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
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